[Shawn Miller]

[Robin S. Kurz] “I don’t know who the “MoGraph community” for you are,…”

Folks who mostly design and animate graphics for a living. For a lot of them, editing is a secondary task (hence, the popularity of PPro from the very early days). On the high end, many of them don’t edit at all.

[Robin S. Kurz] “But the FCP X community sure would notice.”

I don’t doubt that at all. Mostly, I was giving Charlie a bit of a ribbing. I’m sure Motion is fantastic, and I really wish it were more popular. I dislike seeing an entire industry (more or less) hang it’s hat on one application or vendor… I would prefer to see stronger competition from a variety developers in this space. 🙂

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

[Simon Ubsdell] “[Shawn Miller] “Now if Motion disappeared… would the MoGraph community notice? ”

I don’t know about the mograph community – I doubt that anyone at Apple would even notice ;-)”

Ack!! I hope that’s not true. I’m not a Motion user, but I’m still rooting for it. 🙂

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

[Dennis Radeke] ”
I think Charlie is referring to Premiere Pro’s popularity around 5 years ago, to which I would mostly agree. CS5 was the beginning of the change to where Adobe is today.”

Yeah, I’d worked that one out. 🙂 I was just giving Charlie a bit of a hard time because he said “video apps” instead of Premiere Pro, but I knew what he meant. I think there were a LOT of “us” using Premiere in corporate, event and design work long before CS5 though … so I think it’s fair to say that, yes, even if PPro CSx had been EOL’d, a fair number of folks would have been unhappy. Now if Motion disappeared… would the MoGraph community notice?

See what I did there? That’s for you, Charlie! 🙂

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

[Charlie Austin] ”

[Shawn Miller] “What, you mean like After Effects? Yes, I think people would have noticed…
”

OK, I’ll give you that one. ;-)”

🙂

[Shawn Miller]

[Charlie Austin] “And, until fairly recently, I don’t think anyone would have noticed if Adobe had killed any of their video apps.
: ducks and runs away :”

What, you mean like After Effects? Yes, I think people would have noticed…

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

[Bill Davis] “I wonder if that means they did more of the effects work in house – or just used AE do do pre-comps then farm the work out as with most films. Much is changing out there. It’s kinda fun!”

Tyler Nelson, Jeff Baxter and a couple of the post-production engineers talk a bit about that throughout the video below. It sounds like they’re doing a lot of what they were doing on The Social Network, but with Premiere as the main edit tool and not just a front end for AE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o6pjd2AU9c#t=39

Shawn

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[Shawn Miller]

[Jeremy Garchow] “[Shawn Miller] “Nothing worse than opening an AE project to see an unorganized assembly of “comp 1-200”, and 500 variously named solids; Light Gray Solid 1-75, Black Solid 1-100, White Solid 1-50, etc. And don’t get me started on “Pre-comp 1, Pre-comp 1 Comp 1, Pre-comp 1 Comp 2…”!”

Yeah…our posts crossed paths.

Ae projects are a whole different level of disorganization.”

Yeah, just saw that. FWIW, I would love to see the tagging and keywording capabilities of X in AE… batch renaming of assets would also be a welcomed addition.

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

[Andrew Kimery] ” If you hadn’t guessed, this is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. Being lazy, ignorant and/or just plain unorganized makes other people’s jobs significantly harder and it’s just incredibly rude and unprofessional to pass the burden onto someone else like that.”

This is a pet peeve of mine as well, even though I’m a one man band most of the time. I rarely have to deal other people’s project files when editing, but I do have to use/fix AE templates and projects once in a while. Naming conventions or organization of any kind seems to be a mystery to some people. Nothing worse than opening an AE project to see an unorganized assembly of “comp 1-200”, and 500 variously named solids; Light Gray Solid 1-75, Black Solid 1-100, White Solid 1-50, etc. And don’t get me started on “Pre-comp 1, Pre-comp 1 Comp 1, Pre-comp 1 Comp 2…”!

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

[Charlie Austin] “[Walter Soyka] “New Search Bins allow editors to build new bins automatically, based on metadata searches within a project, with results showing as aliases of the original project items.

An advanced Timeline Search makes it simple to find and select clips within a sequence based on specific criteria such as Clip Name or Marker comment.””

And everyone here wonders why Apple doesn’t announce features that are coming to FCP X. :-/”

Are you saying that Apple doesn’t announce features because they might show up in other applications? Isn’t that a good thing (for us)? I mean, one way or another all of these programs influence each other anyway, it usually seems to benefit “The Market”… do you disagree?

Shawn

[Shawn Miller]

[Oliver Peters] “I would say that doing a brand new professional-grade NLE from scratch (not modifying a currently working product) would take 3-5 years, before you’d have a solid product. That’s with a brilliant set of coders on board.”

Well, yeah… brilliant developers (UX, XD, etc.)… and testers… and project managers… and PMO person(s)… and support… and documentation… IOW, a really dedicated team of folks who know how to design, build, test, support and market software. It’s a tough, tough business in a market with demanding users that (increasingly) expect world class software at a very low price points. (Warning, rhetoric ahead) Who would (or can) pay millions of dollars to develop a product that has to compete with really good, cheap, and or free products?

Shawn