Ron Shook
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Danny,
[Danny Hays] “This wouldn’t be the 1st time I’ve been corrected and it’s totally cool,, Thats what these forums are for. Finding answers. For the life of me I can’t find how to export, save as, an OMF file.”
Hmmm! I can’t find it either, so you may very well have been right and I got the story wrong. Like you I wonder if AAF would work well enough for audio. If I screwed up, I’ll sort it out. Now I don’t know what to think of my memory, but I’m almost positive he got the audio into ProTools and back without problem, but I thought it was OMF. I’ll ask.
Hang on Alvin,
Ron Shook
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Danny,
First, let me heartily welcome you aboard as a leader. Since you probably can wrangle Vegas 10-100 times better than I do, I hope that you’ll forgive the nature of our first interaction here, but I just couldn’t let this stand for Alvin’s sake.
[Danny Hays] “I don’t believe Vegas will export as OMF yet.”
Yes it will, and very nicely indeed, since at least Vegas 7. I’ll be no help at all in helping anyone accomplish this, but the directions should be in the help files, or perhaps someone with direct experience can help.
The reason I know this is that I’m a good friend with the most amazing technical editor I’ve ever encountered. He’s a Vegas expert, an Adobe Expert, an Avid expert, along with 3 or 4 other dead NLEs, and because he’s being forced to it by circumstances will soon be an FCP expert. Most of us couldn’t begin to do that, or at least I know I couldn’t.
A bit over a year ago when he was regularly off-lining and audio editing with Vegas and then AAFing to the Adobe software on an Axio system for some finishing and client review, he ran into a huge hassle. BTW, the Vegas software coexisted quite well on the Axio computer, so this was all on the same workstation. He was given some Digibeta tapes with 8 channel audio to do further video finishing on Axio, with audio finishing in ProTools at another facility. Maybe it has changed since, but at that time PPro couldn’t handle more than 4 channels of SDI embedded audio, it just wasn’t part of the software, a nutty non-pro situation. So he captured the Digibeta in Vegas with all 8 audio channels and used the Vegas OMF export and import to go back and forth to ProTools without problem. The resulting finished audio was then AAFed from Vegas to Axio/PPro for final assembly.
Most Vegas users have no use for OMF or AAF, because they are used in the more advanced levels of the industry that we don’t often encounter, but here’s another little known fact. Apparently the AAF import/export modules for both Vegas and Premiere Pro were developed by the same 2nd party developer, and AAF I/O is quite solid between the two apps. When moving projects between the Vegas and PPro via AAF most everything translates without the intervention of an expensive 3rd party app like Automatic Duck, which is used primarily to pass projects around between FCP and Avid.
I hope that a few here find this kind of esoteric stuff interesting because if you want to interact with the larger and more powerful forces in this industry it pays to understand the problems, potential solutions, and where things are heading because a lot of it won’t be esoteric too much longer. It’s not esoteric to Alvin right now.
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Kim,
It’s great to see ya here,
[Kim Nance] “I’ve never met Ron, but I’ve known and valued his expertise and dedication since the early 90’s. With respect, I would say he is the ‘heaviest’ heavyweight here.”
Hardly, unless you’re refering to my poundage. (g)
[Kim Nance] “I hope you’re lovin’ Vegas as much as I am.”
Not yet, as I’m still struggling with different working relationships and algorythms. I’m far enough along to see that the love will come in more instances than it won’t, but am reluctant to say much specific until I’m better grounded. Wish I had a more nimble mind.
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Jerry,
[Jerry Neal] “I saw a presentation on Edius last night at my local videography group. I was amazed to see that you can preview your video (filters, effects, etc.) at full resolution without rendering. This seems to blow every other software out of the water regarding this feature.”
What Douglas said with particular emphasis on this:
[Douglas Spotted Eagle] “I think it’s a brilliant, although not fully-featured app.”
I looked real hard at Edius before settling on Vegas. It has the best real-time software engine of any of the NLE competitors, by a significant edge. It does so by coding for that advantage, by using excellent proprietary intermediate I-frame codecs (like FCP did recently with ProRez), and by avoiding true alpha channel support. Once Grass Valley purchased Canopus, I could see that it wasn’t going to develop in the direction I wanted, i.e., it would never become the craft editor that I was looking for or as Douglas says, a “fully-featured app.”
A craft editor, IMO, must now-a-days have either excellent compositing built in like Vegas, or excellent compositing available via tight integration with companion apps, like the Adobe production studio, and to a somewhat lesser extent FCP Studio. Edius doesn’t have this and very likely never will. What it has is BorisFX bundled, which allows you to get good compositing done, but in a rather cludgy, slow, previous generation manner. What it also has is TitleMotion bundled as a CG/Titler, a big plus, IMO. What I wouldn’t give to have Iscriber CG integrated and bundled with Vegas. (g) The new Vegas Titler covers the TitleMotion part of Inscriber, and is a competitor to LiveType, but no app from Sony, Apple, Adobe, or Avid works as fast, efficiently, and smoothly as the 15 year old Inscriber CG for run of the mill passive character generation tasks like lower thirds, subtitles and such. I hope someone can prove me wrong on this.
What I want in an NLE as a craft editor, may not be what someone else wants or needs. Edius with its superb real-time software engine fits perfectly with what Grass Valley needs as a somewhat crafty news editor for its clients. If what you do in the biz is grind it out, largely cookie cutter event videography or fast paced news with a little flash and a lot of need for speed, Edius might be just your ticket. And please don’t think I’m disparaging anyone’s efforts in the biz. It’s what interests you and pays the bills that count.
Ron Shook
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Mike,
[Mike Kujbida] “I’ve got a sister who works at Rotary HQ in Evanston.
Have you ever done any work for them?”Doesn’t ring a bell. Oh, Well.
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Terry,
[Terry Esslinger] “You don’t know how happy I am to see your image at the top of the forum!!”
Aw shucks! If you tell me why, I might consider dating again. (g)
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Jeremy,
[Jeremy Rasnic] “Welcome aboard.”
Same atcha, sonny. Alan and I will represent the geezer contingent here, if you can tolerate a few senior moments.
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Kathlyn,
[Kathlyn Lindeboom] “if you really don’t think it will work out, please get a hold of me and I will remove you”
If you remove me, this leader board is gonna look like a game of “sock’em.” (g) Let’s see what happens. Thanks for the shot in the arm, my dear.
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Edward,
[Edward Troxel] “I do plan on being around – just maybe not quite as much as in the past.”
Dang you! (g) Why not leave your visage up and do just that? Come when you can. You don’t have to answer everything. I see “leaders” on other forums who haven’t posted for months. Don’t feel you have to leave, if you can’t do it all. Others will take up the slack. That’s why there’s room for lots more folk at the top.
That said, I realize that there may be more to it under the surface, or that you just can’t limit yourself to anything but all out. I wish you the best, whether you reconsider or not. Excalibur is a remarkable achievement.
Ron Shook
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Allen,
[Allen Zagel] “I’ve already helped them correct it many times before but they must have someone doing the website who persists in spelling and English grammer his/her own way.”
Blimey! A very unwise methodology if they want to sell to English speakers. Should I drop ’em an e-mail and suggest that it’s not particularly good and profitable to have their English language website read like a clumsy Nigerian e-mail scam. Do you want the editing job?
Ron Shook
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