Ron Shook
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Oh, Barry,
[Barry Green] “THe camera cannot directly record live footage onto the external hard disk; it needs to be recorded onto P2 cards first. But once it’s recorded, the camera can control an external hard drive to offload the data from the cards to the drive.”
Dash me hopes, will ye! I’m afraid a deal breaker for me. Since the Firestore will presumably work, it’s not that the camera cannot directly record live footage onto external hard disks, but that Panasonic has determined that they won’t let us do it unless it’s their proprietary solutions and if their proprietary solutions aren’t solutions that’ll work or are too expensive for our production workflow, tough luck. I guess I can understand this, if they are deliberately limiting the range of this camcorder. I guess it would be just too good and decimate other manufacturers too much.
Oh, well!
Ron Shook
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Harry,
[Harry Pallenberg] “https://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/new_read_post.cgi?forumid=162&postid=856974”
Simply highlight any NET address in your message and click the little blue L on the upper right of the message box and you will create a clickable address that other COWs don’t have to cut and past into their browser to view.
Thus:
https://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/new_read_post.cgi?forumid=162&postid=856974
Ron Shook
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Brian,
[Brian FitzGerald] “I am committed to buying the 200.”
I’m leaning that way myself, if the optics prove to be better than the Sony HDVs and JVC basic lens, and at least on a par with the base lens that the Canon HDV supplies. Using DVCProHD and DVCPro50SD is so superior to HDV and DV25 that the HVC-200 is ultimately seductive. But the far bigger IF is finding a workflow that is reasonable for long form shooting that can deliver IT media of whatever stripe to clients that is readily transportable, has enough capacity, can enter their systems as is or with a low cost periferal, and is inexpensive. P2 cards for this usage would have to be 4 times the capacity and 1/20th the cost of the current 8 gig/$2k cost and that ain’t gonna happen for 2-3 years, if then.
The Firestore doesn’t cut it either. It has nice capacity but the cost and media transportability are off the scale for what I need. Now, if the Firestore had a caddied removeable drive system where the caddies would function as firewire or USB drives on a computer, or a REV drive cartridge mechanism or the like, particularly with a built in memory cache system or the use of a P2 card as a memory cache system, so that you could change drives or cartridges while maintaining continuous recording, then I’d be in Heaven. I doubt whether Panasonic could build these camcorders fast enough to meet demand, and HDV would be the BetaMax of cost effective HD on the professional stage, relegated to the consumer world so fast it would make your head swim.
Now I don’t think that I would be comfortable using any hard drive technology as the sole media offering in and of itself before I leave the scene of the production crime, so I’d feel it necessary to back up that media to another hard drive or optical when they are fast enough, but it would make the camcorder workable until the P2s have high enough capacity and low enough cost to do the job, and then I could use the above technology to have near automatic backup.
Ron Shook
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Steve,
[Steve Freebairn] “Sorry that I was misleading, what I was thinking was that after you recorded onto 1 p2 card or even 2, you could plug this into the camera and turn both of them on. I think that once you did that and then hit the “transfer/Backup” button on the enclosure that it would transfer the footage from the card.”
You were not in the slightest misleading, and I understood what you were thinking. I was just trying to imagine if such a device could be used with the HVX-200 to record very long form stuff uninterrupted by changing cards, etc, i.e., when the camcorder is turned on can the USB and/or firewire ports spit out a data stream in whatever format the camera is set to record to in P2. If so, there are possibilities here that I haven’t considered. In looking over the specs closer on this device, I noticed that in host mode it can’t address NTFS, so I guess file limits in FAT32, would squirrel it’s use as I fantasized even if it were possible to use it this way with the HVX-200?
Ron Shook
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Steve,
This is facinating. I don’t know enough technically to know how facinating, however. If it has a host controller in it, does that mean you could plug the USB from drive to camera, turn on both devices and hit the record button on the enclosure and be recording the data stream from the camera? Would you even need P2 cards to do this? If this is possible, it could be the answer I’m looking for to make this camera feasible for me. I checked around enough to find out that the speed of 2.5″ drives might or might not be reliably fast enough for 1080iDVCProHD but oughta be reliably fast enough for DVCPro50 or 720p30HD.
Someone tell me more?
Ron Shook
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Aaron,
[Aaron Strader] “This won’t always be the case. We’re real early in the development of HDV. Within a few months we’ll have decent hardware rendering solutions that will process HDV footage in realtime just like you get with DV.
Matrox has already announced that the Axio will feature this on it’s next driver set, which should be along before the end of the year.”
This could be confusing to some folks in that they could get the implication that Axio will be able to output HDV back in real-time to deck or camera. That’ll still be a render, though a render that I suspect will be hardware accellerated. It’ll be interesting to see if it’s a smart render. What Axio will do with the next set of drivers, as I understand it, is decode the HDV using the hardware, so that HDV can be kept in it’s small native format on the hard drive, yet the editing and monitoring experience will be just as real-time as before using a not-GOP intermediate format in the 8 or 10 bit color space. If you want to output to another format this will happen in RT, but back to HDV will still involve a render.
[Aaron Strader] “I’d bet good money that it won’t stop there. I would imagine realtime HDV decoder cards will get very big soon.”
The holy grail is realtime HDV encoder hardware.
Ron Shook
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Steve,
[Steve Freebairn] “Why would people be willing to record onto standard SD cards if they were likely to have dropouts?”
I don’t really know for sure, but I doubt that it works that way. The memory would need formating and I assume that any bad segments would be locked out like a hard drive that is scanned and formatted. So capacity would be somewhat reduced, but dropouts shouldn’t be a problem. Anyone know for certain?
Ron Shook
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Mark,
[Mark Palmos] “richard, if i wanted you all to relax in general, I would not have needed to be oblique, and would be talking about yoga or something!”
I’m pretty sure that you could tell me to relax and not be talking about Yoga, but Richard’s and Marisu’s needs are 2 or 3 orders of complexity greater than mine. Re-read Richard’s post a few posts down:
I doubt that anybody, even the head Adobe PPro guy, could tell Richard to relax except for Yoga with any certainty.
Richard, Tai Chi is another possibility.
Ron Shook
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Jan,
Well, P2’s sure gonna transfer faster than CF. I was sure off. Thanks,
Ron
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Eleventy,
[eleventy] “fermented cowdung”
Sounds cheap enough for me. What’s the URL for these cards?
Ron Shook