P2 limited / patented to panasonic or 3rd party offers possible ?

[Joe Womble]

Jan has mentioned that Panasonic is willing to license the production of P2 cards to 3rd parties. But the quality standards are incredibly high. Panasonic will not allow “off the shelf” SD cards and components to pass as acceptable for use with Panasonic cameras.

Regards,

Cre8tive

[Toke]

I’d say that to get 3rd party interested about cf/sd card adapter to p2 would need something like 6 figures of sold p2 cameras to have wide enough target group.
This of course won’t happen if Panny isn’t going to release consumer version of p2 camera, which of course won’t happen if p2 cards price won’t dramatically decrease.
And so on…
Or maybe there might be some company who makes “broadcast” equipment, that would make a small amount of adapters, but then they would also cost a huge amount a piece.
How much would you pay for that adapter? $500? $1000?

[Jo]

you can do the math – it is already fact that 8 MByte via SD cost below 1000$, so even 1000$ for the adapter is a good investment. In one year you get a high performance 16 MByte SD for approx. 400 $, I am shure P2 Modules of this size will be much more expensive then.
I looked the web and found that P2 is specified to 625 Mbit/s, that is nearly 80 MByte/s – very fast and good up to 1:2 lossless compressed HD. For this performance the price might be fair.
But for HVX users it

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[jo] “For me it is a very Point in my decision purchasing the HVX and be dependend on manufacturers goot will in media price or purchasing the Canon H1, which uses cheap DV tapes.”

HVX 200 is not HDV format.
It is HD,true HD.
It will be the cheapest HD camera on market.
The cheapest HD camera at the moment costs $40,000…so HVX-200 is meant for productions with BUDGETS.
jiri

[Jo]

might be right, but let

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[jo] “might be right, but let

[Ivan Kacer]

The answer is clear and without hesitation HVX 200.

[Steve Freebairn]

By the way Jo, the P2 cards use 4 SD memory cards in a Raid 0 configuration. The reason why it costs so much is because they are 100% error free. Why would people be willing to record onto standard SD cards if they were likely to have dropouts?

[Jo]

🙂
so it might be possible to “hack” cheap 2 GB Cards and replace the SD Modules by bigger ones .. *g*
whatch out there for some mod instructions.
no more need for adapters ..
I never heard about errors in flash modules from quality labels. And even a well working module can crash every time. you can buy them, test them with a simple flash check program, use them if o.k. or send it back to the vendor when it has errors.
Anyway, hopefully the HVX will come soon, can

[Ron Shook]

Steve,

[Steve Freebairn] “Why would people be willing to record onto standard SD cards if they were likely to have dropouts?”

I don’t really know for sure, but I doubt that it works that way. The memory would need formating and I assume that any bad segments would be locked out like a hard drive that is scanned and formatted. So capacity would be somewhat reduced, but dropouts shouldn’t be a problem. Anyone know for certain?

Ron Shook