[Robin S. kurz]

[Walter Soyka] “There’s also Adobe’s CinemaDNG from 2009 (which Blackmagic adopted for their cameras). Both CineForm and CinemaDNG are open standards.”

Wow. Seriously? ????

I’m sorry, but to say that ProRes raw is “following” THOSE utter performance dogs is just silly. Apple are clearly leading with the first USABLE raw format in their own league. That’s a pretty big and highly essential difference in my book. Maybe not in yours.

At least I for one don’t know a single person in their right mind who would actually consider running an entire production on EITHER of the above (yeah, I’m sure there are some crazies somewhere… ????). I just know that I (and many others) considered it once, tried a few test runs and quickly and decidedly said “No effin’ way… like, ever“.

ProRes raw [non-sic] on the other hand? Just finished capturing my first (small) production in it and was doing multiple streams of dailies off of a 2.5″ external USB3 disk on an average MBP! So as far as I’M concerned… it’s a game changer. Zero doubt about it. And so what if Apple is giving AtomOS their few days, weeks, maybe even a couple of months in the limelight? They deserve it. At the very latest, as soon the first DSLRs come out that send raw data via HDMI (and they will come)… game over. Never mind if they even end up simply capturing PR raw internally, which will come just as well, since cameras at that level have ZERO chance of going with any other raw format in terms of performance, if that’s what they want to offer. And their users will be asking for it.

And I think it’s a no-brainer that BMD and others will adopt it as soon as the ink on the license agreement has dried. If they haven’t already.

– RK

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[Michael Gissing] “But I finish and editing for me is part time and usually simple.”

That being the key statement, yes. Seeing that that is the first and foremost reason you’d even want to be using X to begin with, so criticizing or comparing it from a finishing perspective… erm, well… ????

[Michael Gissing] “X seems to have the slowest pace of development and that must be of some concern to users.”

I guess someone hasn’t been paying attention. ????

– RK

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[Scott Witthaus] “Avid and Discreet failed in their attempt to make the “all in one” system.”

Never mind the amazing success of SMOKE doing the same, right? What a marketshare. ????

I personally believe BMD are setting themselves up for a BIG world of hurt with the whole “all-in-one” thing. Which is why I’m hella glad that I’d say it’s pretty much 210% sure that Apple will never opt for that path with Motion & Co. Thank god. I’ve spoken to many software engineers, ALL of which have said that patch working apps together like that is a developmental and support NIGHTMARE in the long run.

And sorry if I don’t buy the imho sanctimonious, feigned “wonderment” over the usual hubristic chatter of a negligible few. Who are these supposed many exactly? Actual people where you think “Yeah… I totally trust their judgment!“? Names? Links?

Or maybe just the “I’m just one download away from automatically becoming a PRO and super VFX master AND can stick the finger to Adobe and Apple!” crowd (the last part of course being by far the most important one) that aren’t any one thing in the end after all?

Or maybe some that throw it out there for a little inflammatory-fun? (Hmmm… like who?) That never get past the beta or a “Hell, it’s free“-download themselves? In which case… who cares? What’s the news at 11 here? I don’t see it. Strikes me as rather click-baitish, sorry. As if it was ANY different with the last few updates? Er… no. A never ending cycle. ???? Move along… nothing to see…

And just looking at ProRes raw… who exactly is leading and who will be following again? ????

But then I can only speak for my world of course… where I have a lot to do with a lot of editors, post houses etc. etc. etc. … and have yet to bump into anyone that doesn’t know what they have in FCP (and it’s a LOT more than just “trackless” and “magnetic” ????). I for one don’t see anyone (using X) taking Resolve terribly serious as AN EDITOR in comparison. Certainly not as a replacement. But certainly various others that download it for other “pages”… just as before. But as of 10.4 there are a lot less people going to Resolve as before for the coloring. Me being one of them.

And in the end, all I have to see is something like THIS (posted elsewhere as an example for brilliant “organization”)…

… and I immediately know that even the most “extreme free” anything could NEVER get me back to the clearly inferior concept of “tracks” (never mind the ghastly, convoluted GUI). But to each his own, right? If Resolve best meets your needs, great! Go for it! All the power to you. Just suggesting it’s anywhere CLOSE to being some sort of ominous doomsday competition to FCP… oh puh-leeze. I’d say you’re making a fool of yourself.

– RK

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[Robin S. kurz]

[Mike Bonner] “CommandPost – a partner application which allows our panels to operate many controls in Apple Final Cut Pro X, including the new Color Wheels, via the Tangent Mapper.””

For one, CommandPost is NOT an “application”, it’s a HACK. A term Tangent won’t of course use. And from what I’ve been hearing, I would highly discourage you from installing it on 10.4.1. Or even in general. As enticing the few things it offers may be (mostly gimmicks imho). If issues come up, you’ll have no way of knowing what’s “real” and what might just be CP doing something it shouldn’t.

If I preferred a long list of shoddily implemented features (of which the vast majority I don’t even need) above stability… I’d be using PPro. ????

– RK

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[greg janza] “Premiere has become the default NLE in my area”

And in my area, people are leaving Adobe the first chance they get, for the usual reasons: sick of renting their own work, tired of getting random features but no bug fixes or stability, and because they very taken by what BMD and Apple have to offer in comparison. All without the rental-agreement.

Clearly every area is different. But I don’t think that Adobe will be able to maintain their position and politics for much longer. We’ll see.

– RK

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Very cool if you ask me. Ironically I was JUST grazing through there making purchases yesterday… would have been a huge help! The browsing via the web is a fair PITA. Curious to see if it’s any better this way. Can’t be worse…

– RK

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[Robin S. kurz]

Here the official word btw:

Color Correction

* Color wheel sliders retain values at 100 IRE for white and 0 IRE for black, with the ability to move above and below using color correction controls
* Color board exposure parameters are consistent for Rec. 2020 PQ projects
* Keyframes are properly maintained when copying and pasting color wheel effects
* Custom white balance values are pasted correctly in Rec. 2020 HDR libraries
* View Masks selection displays the mask in the Viewer before color grading parameters are changed

– RK

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[Mike Bonner] “Can we end the debate and call it a bug now”

So you can say with certainty that it wasn’t an intended approach, they simply gave into complaints? We’ll probably never know for sure either way. But yeah, it can be ended.

And how do you know that panel support is Apple’s and not the OEM’s job in the form of drivers etc.? Have you spoken to e.g. Tangent?

– RK

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[Robin S. kurz]

But no ProRes raw support. They’re doomed.

– RK

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[Robin S. kurz]

Interesting. Thanks.

– RK

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