[Richie Tovell]

Hey, I’ve cracked it!!

When I render out as QT movie with the “animation” codec it works, the movies play perfectly in Resolume (The VJ app)and the alpha channels transfer over to the render just fine. Resolume has no problem with them.

This is great, I’ve been stressing over this problem for a night and a day now, phew that was tough.

The movie file sizes are massive though, around 6x the size of an AVI render, but they play well in the app so I’m not complaining.

Thanks for helping me out once again Dave 🙂

Regards Richie.

[Richie Tovell]

Hey Dave.

Well, it seems that the Codecs I’ve been installing are Qicktime codecs, (I wanted AVI) So I can only select them under the Render options when rendering my projects as Qicktime movies. not ideal.

So Why is there the need to pre render to a high quality?, do you mean I should Re import my render back in to AFX and the re export with alpha to Quicktime (Effectlivly bouncing it)?

EDD: I havn’t even got to the stage whereby I even have a rendered AVI with alpha to test in the VJ app, it’s picky app, but it plays avi’s really well.

Still can’t find a codec for avi with alpha though.

[Richie Tovell]

Thanks for the pointers both of you, I fixed up the clip by ripping it in smaller sections, seem’s to have worked but it’s not an ideal solution and I have more clips like this to fix, I’ll try following your sugestions this time.

Regards Richie.

[Richie Tovell]

I guess it makes sence to work on the visuals first for the most part, but as you said having them there infront of you whilst working on the audio is vital.

I’ve got some other other options at my disposal – Resolume, it’s a VJ app in which you can sequance video and audio symaltainiously + it can host vst’s, however it’s visual effects are lacking most of what AE can offer.

It seems this is as close as I can get to what I want ie prepping visuals in AE then exporting each of them to a second app for AV composition.

Thanks for clarifying this all for me Dave.

Regards Richie.

[Richie Tovell]

I agree, I can see this is a problematic area and don’t wish to argue or cause any contension, I’m trying to way all of this up though, this is where I’m confused.

I can create all of these visual effects in AE, but there is no way that AE can handle these sort of audio effects, also I do feel it would be impossible to “Bounce” this amount of audio to another app, even bouncing small amount’s of sound track is a nightmare.

Ebo uses Jitter a max msp app, however as I said all of these Visual effects can be created in AE and not only thatm I also know for a fact that he has used AE to a large extent in the past and perhaps still does.

So it boils down to this, is there any one app that any of you know of that has both the audi and visual capabillity I’m looking for? or is there way I can sync AE with another app, for example using midi or timecode of some kind?

[Richie Tovell]

I would consider using a different app altogether, for example Premier can host third partie vst plugins, however I’d need to find an app that could do this whilst also featuring all of the effects that AE has, does final cut feature any of the visual effects that AE uses?

Have a look at this video, it shows to what extent Audio and visuals can be interlaced with each other, this cound not be done by “Bouncing” audio from one app to another, it has to be done in one app, or two linked together.

https://eborelease.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/2006-garbageman/

The edited sequance at the begining alone seems impossible to recreate in AE, let alone the combination of Audio and visual effects, the odd thing is I can creat almost all of these visual effects in AE but the audio is proving impossible.

[Richie Tovell]

I can see this is a short falling of AE, So “plan B” would mean working with two apps, AE and another dedicated purely to audio. Working simaltainiously between the two apps like this would require the two apps to be somehow linked.

I’m confused as to how to best achive this. AE has no midi so audio in another app can not be triggered in the traditional way. (I would have thought Adobe could have sussed this out) all I can think of is using AE’s audio out as a trigger. (In much the same way that Sound keys does) AE would send audio, which in turn would trigger a “Note On” in a sampler wich in turn would play the audio.

I got to say this isn’t ideal, it’s possible but there would be latancey issues.

I was hopeing someone might have developed a host, something simular to Pete’s AE FF host, or a Trapcode plugin etc, failing that is there really no way to sync another app? . . . . no midi or timecode output at all?

[Richie Tovell]

Hi Avrohom.

Sorry about the duff expression, I’ll correct that now. Unfortunately all my recent projects got messed up after a system restore, I would have posted a whole project up, but I’ll just have to settle with posting one of the early test renders instead (it’s extremely rough) and was literally made just to test the linking and expressions.

https://killalltraitors.co.uk/Ski_Girl_Test_Render.avi

The steps were (as best as I can remember).

1 mask six different areas of the same image, 1 layer per mask

2 move anchor points of each layer to one or other side of the masked area (note one of the centre anchor points must stay in the centre of the composition) this center layer will be the Parent layer and will anchor the whole sequence to the centre of the compositions.

3 Parent all of your layers to one of your centre layers.

4 link the Y Rotations of all of these layers to the same centre layer.

Then in your expressions add a – sign to the beginning of every other expression. in front of your minus sign now add 2* this should look like this.

Normal y rotation layer

thisComp.layer(“Ski girl 4 long.avi 2”).transform.yRotation

Invers y rotataion layer (Every other layer)

2* – thisComp.layer(“Ski girl 4 long.avi 2”).transform.yRotation

In my (Very Very Rough project) I have the Parent layers y rotation and layer width also, both being automated by trapcode soundkeys (it’s out of time though as this was still an early test). To control only the width of the layers using soundkeys the end of the expression was changed:

in transform change expression linked to size from. .

[temp, temp, temp]

To

[temp, value[1], temp]

Basically whatever temp, you change to (value ([0] [1] or [2]) will remain stationary.

I hope your project works out, mine did with a few more tweaks here and there. Also with more and more layers you can start to build up more complex warping and shapes.

Regards Richie.

[Richie Tovell]

Oh I found the answer to my own question.

2* – thisComp.layer(“Ski girl 4 long.avi 2”).transform. = 2/ yRotation

Sorry 😀

[Richie Tovell]

Coooool Dan 🙂

Thanks thats done the trick.

Richie.