AV in AE – Need more audio effects.

[Fernando Mol]

Choose one: audio or video, and do it first.

Your video with rough audio, or your audio with no video.

Final Cut does a great job integrating Soundtrack. In After effects, you simply will have to import your audio from a different file. You can edit your audio in AE, but it will be more complicated than export and import.

[Richie Tovell]

I can see this is a short falling of AE, So “plan B” would mean working with two apps, AE and another dedicated purely to audio. Working simaltainiously between the two apps like this would require the two apps to be somehow linked.

I’m confused as to how to best achive this. AE has no midi so audio in another app can not be triggered in the traditional way. (I would have thought Adobe could have sussed this out) all I can think of is using AE’s audio out as a trigger. (In much the same way that Sound keys does) AE would send audio, which in turn would trigger a “Note On” in a sampler wich in turn would play the audio.

I got to say this isn’t ideal, it’s possible but there would be latancey issues.

I was hopeing someone might have developed a host, something simular to Pete’s AE FF host, or a Trapcode plugin etc, failing that is there really no way to sync another app? . . . . no midi or timecode output at all?

[Richie Tovell]

I would consider using a different app altogether, for example Premier can host third partie vst plugins, however I’d need to find an app that could do this whilst also featuring all of the effects that AE has, does final cut feature any of the visual effects that AE uses?

Have a look at this video, it shows to what extent Audio and visuals can be interlaced with each other, this cound not be done by “Bouncing” audio from one app to another, it has to be done in one app, or two linked together.

https://eborelease.wordpress.com/2007/10/17/2006-garbageman/

The edited sequance at the begining alone seems impossible to recreate in AE, let alone the combination of Audio and visual effects, the odd thing is I can creat almost all of these visual effects in AE but the audio is proving impossible.

[Richie Tovell]

I agree, I can see this is a problematic area and don’t wish to argue or cause any contension, I’m trying to way all of this up though, this is where I’m confused.

I can create all of these visual effects in AE, but there is no way that AE can handle these sort of audio effects, also I do feel it would be impossible to “Bounce” this amount of audio to another app, even bouncing small amount’s of sound track is a nightmare.

Ebo uses Jitter a max msp app, however as I said all of these Visual effects can be created in AE and not only thatm I also know for a fact that he has used AE to a large extent in the past and perhaps still does.

So it boils down to this, is there any one app that any of you know of that has both the audi and visual capabillity I’m looking for? or is there way I can sync AE with another app, for example using midi or timecode of some kind?

[Richie Tovell]

I guess it makes sence to work on the visuals first for the most part, but as you said having them there infront of you whilst working on the audio is vital.

I’ve got some other other options at my disposal – Resolume, it’s a VJ app in which you can sequance video and audio symaltainiously + it can host vst’s, however it’s visual effects are lacking most of what AE can offer.

It seems this is as close as I can get to what I want ie prepping visuals in AE then exporting each of them to a second app for AV composition.

Thanks for clarifying this all for me Dave.

Regards Richie.

[Ian Collister]

Im not a hundred percent sure, but i think Ableton Live will play video as well as audio, altho Ableton is a live production piece of software, many people use it for studio work, and it will take any VSTs you have/need. If not, i would look into the vj packages you mentioned. But i think if you look at the likes of Coldcuts Timber, that did a similar thing years ago, you just have to start with the audio and then the video.

Id hack up all my clips, make the new audio track, and then bring all your clips back into AE separately, and then sink them back with your new audio track before animating/effecting them.

Nothing a bit of planning and many, many long hours wont solve…

[Paul Osman]

I think your best bet of making a long story short would be the Trapcode – Sound Keys you mentioned before.
Import your rendered vct sound fx to a layer by it self attach to the AE filter through “sound key” and here you saved yourself days of work