Ricardo Guerreiro
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Hi Tom and thanks for the reply.
I do not ingest or capture. My files are wrapped in .mov with XDCAM EX codec. As soon as they come out of the card they are ready for FCP’s timeline. So, what I would like is to throw away the unecessary bits of media from these files. There is an option for audio in Compressor which is Audio pass-through which codes video using your chosen settings but leaves the audio just like in the original file. I was wondering if one can do just that but for video. I have been doing it with a custom preset in Compressor that I made myself, using audio pass-through and then XDCAM EX 720p60 for video as this is my camera’s original codec. But everytime I need to do that with a different codec, I have to make a custom preset or choose from one of the Apple ones. I just wished there would be an option to simply cut out the bad bits. In other words, make a new media file, based on FCP’s in and out points but keep both video and audio as the source clip has. Hence the “video pass-through” in inverted commas. This not a format. I was just making an analogy with the audio pass-through option. -
When I said “this” in the above post, I meant the procedure described by Anthony Dalesandro. I thought my answer would be just bellow his post.
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This has worked with FCP7 and OS10.6 although for my particular footage I used a gamma correction of 1.20. And still there are people who say Apple takes this Pro Apps thing seriously!! I can’t believe I would find yet another one of these silly flaws. One pays 1000€ for a “pro” suite to then have to slove simple things with workarounds. Me and quite a few other people are still waiting for the “non-english” keyboard to work properly with FCP. I wonder how difficult that is for Apple to fix….
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Alan, I’m really sorry if I offended you. It was not my intent. But I’m really amazed by FCP not having this feature and other people seem to think it’s just normal, really, I began to wonder “maybe the problem is just mine”. You’re right about the sarcastic comment, should not have done it but I made it without intent to offend anyone. When I wrote it I was just not trying to imply anything about you or Shane for that matter. I’m just thinking, again, that maybe I’m the one not seeing this right.
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“SO regardless of the NLE not doing this, you chose a format that cannot do this without conversion. ”
So, is there a special technology in Motion that enables the program to do it on GOP media? I certainly did not convert to ProRes prior to make the timeline in motion play all the frames and thus halving the speed of the clip.
Thanks.
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Well, the GY-HM100 (my camera) shoots XDCAM EX… So no deal with Cinema Tools without prior convertion to ProRes or something like that. And if I can do it without convertion on Motion, I won’t bother converting just to do it on Cinema Tools. I get to the same point. There is an app doing it str8 from the original XDCAM media, an app on the same suite as FCP I don’t buy the “this is technologically or programing wise hard or impossible to do”. Yes it is easy to do on Motion… but why should I have to go back and forth? Effects, graphics, perfectly acceptable to go back and forth. Slomo, for me it’s not.
I will post feedback to Apple but since it seems everybody thinks it is perfectly natural to have 4 extra steps on their workflow maybe I’m the one that’s nuts. Sorry, in that case.
Cheers and again thaks to both for exchanging thoughts.
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Thanks Alan, I’ll try that but that might solve the ghost image problem… but will it show the frames that were originally left off? See my point? Load a 60fps clip to a 30fps timeline. FCP will only show every other frame. Use Change Speed and it will do frame blending. Uncheck Frame Blending and it will not do it anymore. But changing the speed this way, with Frame Blending unchecked, will probably not re-incorporate the lost frames (assuming a 50% speed change) which was what I wanted, or will it?
So the thing is; Imagine shooting in film at 48fps. Showing the film on standard projector speed, will result in half the speed for the images seen. Now imagine that the projector has a will of its own (will personify the projector just for sarcastic example), and “a scissor in its hand” and cuts every other frame from the film every time you load the film to it. You’re left with half the frames and playing them at standard projector speed will render the original speed of the subjects shot and not slomo as you wanted. Just an analogy as to what FCP does. Now, you could see Motion as a projector without its own will, one you are able to say “hey friend, don’t cut these frames out but play at regular frame rate so it shows as slomo”…
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“If it were don’t you think it would have been done by now? Avid has been around for a couple of decades….FCP isn’t too new either. Premiere too. So the fact that no one does this “simple” think points to the fact that it ain’t as simple as a few lines of code. Do you write computer code?”
Yes, Apple has wy to may things that I don’t understand how over the years are not implemented for me to think that they would just have done it by now. Motion does it, Cinema Tools also… I think there’s no other argument to use here. Why not incorporate this feature to the editing app?
“Motion serves a different purpose…as does After Effects. DIfferent goals, different ways of doing things. Would you edit a show in Motion? Why doesn’t it allow you do add audio tracks and do an audio mix? It’s as simple as a few lines of code…”
That’s precisely my point. I would not edit in motion. That’s why I think an editing tool as dealing with over and under-cranked footage would be better off in FCP (the editing app) than in Motion, or at least be in both as for effects it maybe be useful also.
“Yes…which is why CINEMA TOOLS, that comes with FCP for free, allows you to convert this footage properly. You just need to get the footage into a format that has individual frames to convert. As HDV and AVCHD and XDCAM don’t. ”
Okay, so you still think that (1) converting footage in FCP to some format that Cinema Tools deals with, (2) launching another app (Cinema Tools), (3) conforming the footage, (4) coming back to FCP with the new clip is acceptable when you could just load any clip on the timeline and do it in just one step (like it’s done in Motion)? Okay, fine… I don’t.
Tell me that it is virtually impossible to make FCP do this and I could accept that. But, the original media having the frames, loading the clip to a lower frame rate timeline and having a way to tell the FCP “hey, instead of deleting every other frame,don’t! Show every frame in the timeline and lengthen the clip so that it keeps the timeline’s frame rate” cannot be so difficult. I’m pretty sure that it is far more complicated to do frame blending than to make the app show every frame. Come on, do you believe this is a big deal to do? Again, Motion does this in just one step. Saying that it is just a couple of lines of code can be exaggerated but imagining the colossal bulk of code involved in an app like FCP, come on, it can’t be that big of a deal.
Thanks for expressing your opinion.
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Totally agreed Andrew. And to gain that experience one has to star somewhere and not delve forever in the reading about what app is best and does what. I’m not a professional editor but I mean, this post was not about being confused about commands in FCP. It was about thinking that the sort order (by name) in the Browser is a bit silly. You don’t agree? As for the rest of stuff I have posted about FCP (like better slomo control over over and under-cranked footage) I have seen pro editors wishing for this also. I’m not saying this is a bad app or we wouldn’t have pro like Walter Murch for instance using it. But the things which I think are “bad” are so easy to enhance, I guess, that I can only imagine why at Apple they on’t see it.
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Okay, you are right. There’s lots to read before one buys. And I did. But with so much possibilties to editing, it is virtually impossible without very experience knowledge, to figure out just what you will be doing and maybe needing the app to do. Many things I try to do now, I did not even had the idea before. Imagine searching the web for everything you remember you might be doing on the app, to see if it is able to do so. I would buy Final Cut 15 or something like that… the reading ould never end. Of course the app is not perfect nor did I expected it to be… but I expected it to be a litle closer to perfect… and not just the software. There things in the hardware too. Not big things as I tld before but hey, who likes a litle fly mobing you the entire day even if it’s no big deal?
Anyway, thanks for your efort to try and “guide” me to best ways to know about the apps before buying.