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sort order in the Browser
Hi, in the Finder, sorting items with names that are numbers, 1, 2, 3, …, 10, 11, …, 20, 21… by name will result in the items being sorted like:
1
2
3
…
10
11
…
20
21and so on.
In the browser of FCP, sorting by name which is the way I want to have them sorted, the files show as:
1
10
11
…
2
20
21
…
3and so forth.
Am I the only person to think this is crazy? Or is there a simple way to alter this and I don’t know about it? I repeat: I’m not interested in sorting by timecode or date, or whatever. Sorting by name, is there a way to display the items as they would in the Finder?
Thanks.
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13 Replies
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No
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The reason for that is the finder is sorting numericaly and FCP’s browser sorts alphabethicaly.
In order to get it to behave the way you want it to, you need to use leading zeros in your item names. For instance, clip names should be 001,002,003 and so on.
Then, clip 02 will alphabethicaly preceed clip 10.Regards,
Eric
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Thanks John.
That’s just great. Very clever feature of FCP… there’s stuff at Apple that the more I try to understand the less I can. I mean, I remember around 10 years ago to think that Windows was so stupid because it sorted items in this silly manner. Imagine what I think now about FCP. There’s always this so called “good integration” between Apple apps. Well, no in this simple case. Finder displays one way, FCP in another. Also, scrolling with mouse wheel on QuickTime and FCP to advance/go back frames, is done in opposite directions. I could go on for quite a bit. Duh… -
Well, thanks Eric but that’s what I used to do 10 years ago in Windows. I’d guess that FCP would be smarter than that. I have Finder to sort items by name just as I have FCP to do so (in the columns I see no discrimination between numerical or alphabetical order). They behave differently and I see no good reason as to why this is so. I could go and rename all files with zeros. But imagine logging lots of tapes where FCP itself names the files as 1, 2, 3,… and not 001, 002, 003,.. and then sorts them out this silly way. Come on, I don’t thinnk this is too much to ask, to have the app to sort the files in the obvious manner…
Thanks anyway.
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Agreed!
FCP is so full of these discrepancies it’s a total embarrassment for Apple.
That’s not to talk about the outrageous multiple crashes per day this application is doing that people are so prone to justify on forums.. you shouldn’t use xdcam or HDV codec to edit, you should not display the thumbnails it’s sucking-up to much resources, you installed from scratch or upgraded type of silly answers. Come on! We spent many thousand dollars on acquiring these systems which were supposed to be professional, we’re having gigs of ram installed, dual multiple core processor, huge raids and yet, they are playing the system resource depravation song! Might be true that lessening the stress on the application will prevent problems but I only have one answer to that : Lame application programming, testing and fixing. Take the Mac Ad with the accountant… replace the bean counter script with saying : new FCS upgrade, fix the current one and you’ve got yourself how I feel about Apple…. why not trying it with the latest.. it’s not going to have any of the problem my previous system had!
If only apple was as serious with it’s pro applications as much as we are in the way we use’m! I think they are too busy acquiring new market share with tablets, phones and other trendy stuff.
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[Eric St-Martin] “That’s not to talk about the outrageous multiple crashes per day this application is doing that people are so prone to justify on forums”
With the proper setup, you don’t have crashes. If we did, we couldn’t justify running it here in my company. We have 6 workstations all networked together. Maybe 1 crash per week on a bad week. Generally we go weeks without a crash unless there is an underlying issue, like the Apple Hartwell Ethernet Chip issue that plagued one of our Mac Pros. Nothing to do with FCP, everything to do with hardware.
[Eric St-Martin] “. you shouldn’t use xdcam or HDV codec to edit, you should not display the thumbnails it’s sucking-up to much resources, you installed from scratch or upgraded type of silly answers.”
XDCAM and HDV are both MPEG-2 codecs and not very clean ones at that. The reason why we tell people to get out of these codecs, especially HDV, is to have a cleaner final product. Converting your HDV footage to ProRes, like we do here, and creating your end product from that yields a far cleaner product than staying in HDV through the whole cycle.
[Eric St-Martin] “If only apple was as serious with it’s pro applications as much as we are in the way we use’m! I think they are too busy acquiring new market share with tablets, phones and other trendy stuff.”
Then why use them? Seriously. Avid, Media 100, Quantel, Premiere, Vegas, and more are out there. If Apple isn’t serious about the pro applications, then why are you using them? Go with something else. It’s not going to offend us. You’ll find quite a number of folks on this very forum who use Avid and FCP interchangeably depending on the task at hand.
I use a combination of Adobe and Apple software here because as much as I like the ease of use of Motion, nothing beats After Effects for the tasks I need to do and it’ll be a long time before Aperture approaches the usefulness of Photoshop.
I use FCP because there is nothing out there that I found to compete with the price vs. performance of this product. I am very close to installing at least one Avid system in our new facility though because I can see a need for something like that to enhance our workflow with other facilities.
So seriously, who needs the stress of complaining about something that doesn’t work for you or a company that doesn’t take your needs seriously. Look at your other options and get the product that’s best for your needs, not just something that “everybody else is using.”
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Totally agreed… I feel like “hum, I wonder if people using Avid go through all this?”.. I’m quite new to editing. Did a year of iMovie, a yar of FC Express and finally moved to FCP about 8 motnhs ago. Last September acquired Mac Pro 8-core, 8Gb RAM and I thought this would be just the greatest thing one could buy. Well, after 3 months of use I can say it has not been such a pelasent time. Not to the standard I guess equipment in this price range should be measured. There’s just too many litle things not working fine that make the whole not so interesting. There’s no big big thing, but there’s just to many small ones which add up to something annoying considering you payed 3000€ for a Mac Pro plus 1000€ for FC Studio. I think 4000€ demand less things to ca+omlain about than what I have. But I think Apple will manage to get away with it because porbably 80% of the people buying their stuff will use the products to about 20% of their capabilities and most buy them becuase they are beautifull. So, screwed are the ones who want gar to use in useful and working manners. Most of my friends have Macs and iPhones. I see ther wishes for upgrades on the machines and its just purely cosmtic or game oriented, or Facebook and social networking oriented enhacements. No real interested in useful apps or upgrades to apps. Not even going to mention the problem I have with Portuguese keyboard compatibility with FCP. This seemd to be around since FCP 6 and it seems that the folks at Apple are lke: oh, Portuguese keyboard problems? Get an English one… (about this problem: https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/200/883581)
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Crash wise I have no problems. Three months, only one crash so far. But there are other problems. I agree with you “why complain when you have other options?”… But he thing is that I spent 4000€ on a computer and software. Without a deep experience of FCP, one does not know that it’s going to behave like this. I mean, generally I’m happy with it. But I just think, not happy enough for a 4000€ hard and software deal. And surely it is not an option to go out and spend more 1000s of € to try alternatives.
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[Ricardo Guerreiro] “Without a deep experience of FCP, one does not know that it’s going to behave like this. I mean, generally I’m happy with it.”
Ok, I’ve been hosting this forum since 2001. There’s 8 years of FCP knowledge on this forum alone. If you want to know what FCP can and cannot do, the good and the bad, you can do searches on this forum long before you invest your money in the gear. And with User Groups and VARs all over the world, most folks have the opportunity to demo the software / hardware before you buy.
I have well over $300,000 invested in gear to support our Final Cut Pro facility and I’ll say again, if the software wasn’t any good, I would never have invested that much into the platform. Is it perfect? Nope. But then it works for our needs, especially at the price point.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author.
HD Post and Production
Biscardi Creative Media“Foul Water, Fiery Serpent” now in Post.
Creative Cow Forum Host:
Apple Final Cut Pro, Apple Motion, Apple Color, AJA Kona, Business & Marketing, Maxx Digital. -
Okay, you are right. There’s lots to read before one buys. And I did. But with so much possibilties to editing, it is virtually impossible without very experience knowledge, to figure out just what you will be doing and maybe needing the app to do. Many things I try to do now, I did not even had the idea before. Imagine searching the web for everything you remember you might be doing on the app, to see if it is able to do so. I would buy Final Cut 15 or something like that… the reading ould never end. Of course the app is not perfect nor did I expected it to be… but I expected it to be a litle closer to perfect… and not just the software. There things in the hardware too. Not big things as I tld before but hey, who likes a litle fly mobing you the entire day even if it’s no big deal?
Anyway, thanks for your efort to try and “guide” me to best ways to know about the apps before buying.
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