Peter Litwinowicz
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The workaround is easy… hopefully you found our short manual… at the beginning is a “make sure you read this” set of links. The help doc you are looking for is this one:
https://www.revisionfx.com/support/faqs/generalfaqs/sequences_longer/#After%20Effects%20(Adobe)
Pete
RE:Vision Effects, Inc. -
[Tom Kramer] “et when I reimport the quicktime-exported clip to a PROGRESSIVE sequence, it is interpreted by FCP as LOWER FIRST, and a warning pops up stating that field orders do not match – which in fact both logically as well as actually they do: The clip plays back fine, no matter if I set the clip’s field order to NONE or leave it set to LOWER.
Actually, it is OK from an INTERLACED timeline, too, no matter what the settings are(?)! Plus, no warning there.
“As you said you did, I would suggest after you reimport your deinterlaced clip which is erroneously labeled Lower First, I would suggest manually setting the the Item Property for the FIeld Order of clip to “None” before placing into a sequence. You can do that by right-clicking (or control-clicking if you have a one-button mouse) on the clip in the bin, then choosing the “Item Properties…-> Format” menu item in the context-sensitive menu that pops up. THen right-click (or control-click) on Lower Field in the Field Dominance row and change it to “None”.
[Tom Kramer] “However, the twixtored clip (DEINTERLACED, so far) has to go back to an INTERLACED timeline. What now?
Just plug it in there, and let FCP handle the reinterlacing upon the final output? Probably not, as you wrote: “Well, what I would do if you want deinterlaced out is to put the progressive clip in into a interlaced timeline (the timeline where you have Twixtor!). That way Twixtor can figure out that it is creating interlaced output (because it reads the sequence settings) and does the proper thing to create inbetween fields. If you don’t need inbetweened fields and just need progressive footage displayed in your interlaced output, then what you suggest you did works fine.
[Tom Kramer] “There should not be any fields in an already deinterlaced clip, right? Do you mean that TWIXTOR does create different speeds, depending on output field order”
No, it doesn’t create different speeds, it just creates inbetweens for each field if the output field order is set to something other than progressive, and doesn’t create the inbetween fields if the output field order is set to None. Does this makes sense?
Pete
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[Tom Kramer] “et when I reimport the quicktime-exported clip to a PROGRESSIVE sequence, it is interpreted by FCP as LOWER FIRST, and a warning pops up stating that field orders do not match – which in fact both logically as well as actually they do: The clip plays back fine, no matter if I set the clip’s field order to NONE or leave it set to LOWER.
Actually, it is OK from an INTERLACED timeline, too, no matter what the settings are(?)! Plus, no warning there.
“As you said you did, I would suggest after you reimport your deinterlaced clip which is erroneously labeled Lower First, I would suggest manually setting the the Item Property for the FIeld Order of clip to “None” before placing into a sequence. You can do that by right-clicking (or control-clicking if you have a one-button mouse) on the clip in the bin, then choosing the “Item Properties…-> Format” menu item in the context-sensitive menu that pops up. THen right-click (or control-click) on Lower Field in the Field Dominance row and change it to “None”.
[Tom Kramer] “However, the twixtored clip (DEINTERLACED, so far) has to go back to an INTERLACED timeline. What now?
Just plug it in there, and let FCP handle the reinterlacing upon the final output? Probably not, as you wrote: “Well, what I would do if you want deinterlaced out is to put the progressive clip in into a interlaced timeline (the timeline where you have Twixtor!). That way Twixtor can figure out that it is creating interlaced output (because it reads the sequence settings) and does the proper thing to create inbetween fields. If you don’t need inbetweened fields and just need progressive footage displayed in your interlaced output, then what you suggest you did works fine.
[Tom Kramer] “There should not be any fields in an already deinterlaced clip, right? Do you mean that TWIXTOR does create different speeds, depending on output field order”
No, it doesn’t create different speeds, it just creates inbetweens for each field if the output field order is set to something other than progressive, and doesn’t create the inbetween fields if the output field order is set to None. Does this makes sense?
Pete
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[Tom Kramer] “So, as not to mess to much with my project timeline, I create a second timeline and copy the clip in there, pad it by comping it with at least one copy of the same clip, and put the deinterlacer on there. As I am looking at minimum 50% slomos, I set FieldsKit to 1 Frame per field, already yielding a 50% slomo. Am I correct so far?”
yes, this sounds good.
[Tom Kramer] “Setting the sequence to interlaced will rather often give me some quirky in-between frames, a progressive sequence , while giving me crisp images both on the computer screen as on TV control monitor apparently just puts out doubled frames as in-betweens, resulting in a choppy slomo…. (fill method of course being set to anything other than DUPLICATE). So I stick with an interlaced sequence. “
You should be able to set the sequence to “none” as a field order setting, but I just tried that and it does indeed produce stuttery results (one field of each frame is deinterlaced and repeated, instead of each field being deinterlaced) . This is probably due to a bug introduced by FCP in some recent version that we simply have not caught. Sorry about that (a progressive sequence used to work just fine!)
[Tom Kramer] “So, let’s assume I were happy with what I see, I would now apply Twixtor to that deinterlaced 50% comp (I do not even render it most of the time, cause with my equipment it takes forvever to do so). Or should I have quicktime-exported it first and twixtor the reimported, deinterlaced solid clip, this time in a progressive timeline? “
I would quicktime export the 50% slowed down sequence, so that as you place with Twixtor you don’t have to have FCP recalculate the deinterlaced frames each time you change a Twixtor sequence. It may SEEM like it takes longer, but I’m not convinced it actually does in the long run.
Of course when you apply Twixtor, you’ll want to make sure you mark the input as Progressive within the Twixtor settings.
Then, upon output, simply set the sequence settings (on the sequence that Twixtor is within) to progressive or “lower” or “Upper” as appropriate. If you want Twixtor to calculate 1 frame per field, set the sequence settings to lower or upper. If you want progressive output, set the sequence field settings to “None”. Note that by setting the sequence settings to “lower” or “upper” you’ll get 2x as many frames rendered by Twixtor to recreate each field.
Of course, since you’ve doubled the duration of your interlaced footage by using our Deinterlacer, then you’ll need to factor that in to the percentages (or frame numbers) you use in Twixtor
Hopefully this helps answer your questions.
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[Tom Kramer] “So, as not to mess to much with my project timeline, I create a second timeline and copy the clip in there, pad it by comping it with at least one copy of the same clip, and put the deinterlacer on there. As I am looking at minimum 50% slomos, I set FieldsKit to 1 Frame per field, already yielding a 50% slomo. Am I correct so far?”
yes, this sounds good.
[Tom Kramer] “Setting the sequence to interlaced will rather often give me some quirky in-between frames, a progressive sequence , while giving me crisp images both on the computer screen as on TV control monitor apparently just puts out doubled frames as in-betweens, resulting in a choppy slomo…. (fill method of course being set to anything other than DUPLICATE). So I stick with an interlaced sequence. “
You should be able to set the sequence to “none” as a field order setting, but I just tried that and it does indeed produce stuttery results (one field of each frame is deinterlaced and repeated, instead of each field being deinterlaced) . This is probably due to a bug introduced by FCP in some recent version that we simply have not caught. Sorry about that (a progressive sequence used to work just fine!)
[Tom Kramer] “So, let’s assume I were happy with what I see, I would now apply Twixtor to that deinterlaced 50% comp (I do not even render it most of the time, cause with my equipment it takes forvever to do so). Or should I have quicktime-exported it first and twixtor the reimported, deinterlaced solid clip, this time in a progressive timeline? “
I would quicktime export the 50% slowed down sequence, so that as you place with Twixtor you don’t have to have FCP recalculate the deinterlaced frames each time you change a Twixtor sequence. It may SEEM like it takes longer, but I’m not convinced it actually does in the long run.
Of course when you apply Twixtor, you’ll want to make sure you mark the input as Progressive within the Twixtor settings.
Then, upon output, simply set the sequence settings (on the sequence that Twixtor is within) to progressive or “lower” or “Upper” as appropriate. If you want Twixtor to calculate 1 frame per field, set the sequence settings to lower or upper. If you want progressive output, set the sequence field settings to “None”. Note that by setting the sequence settings to “lower” or “upper” you’ll get 2x as many frames rendered by Twixtor to recreate each field.
Of course, since you’ve doubled the duration of your interlaced footage by using our Deinterlacer, then you’ll need to factor that in to the percentages (or frame numbers) you use in Twixtor
Hopefully this helps answer your questions.
pete -
It SOUNDS like you may have applied Twixtor to the clip inside Sequence 1 instead of to Sequence 1 inside of Sequence 2.
What can happen in FCP is this… you double-click on the Sequence 1 to set it’s filter settings. However, double-clicking on a sequence brings you to that sequence in the timeline. This is unlike double-clicking on a clip in a sequence which brings up the filter settings tab for the clip. So the question is this: how do you view the filter settings of a sequence? Select Sequence 1 inside of Sequence 2’s timeline (do not double-click). then select View->Sequence from FCP’s menus. This will show you the sequence’s filter settings.
If you send us a short clip (before Twixtor has been applied) and your FCP project that tries to extend it by a factor of 3, we can see where you are going wrong. Please make sure to send along which version of FCP you are using. You can send this to techsupport (at) revisionfx (dot) com
Pete
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It SOUNDS like you may have applied Twixtor to the clip inside Sequence 1 instead of to Sequence 1 inside of Sequence 2.
What can happen in FCP is this… you double-click on the Sequence 1 to set it’s filter settings. However, double-clicking on a sequence brings you to that sequence in the timeline. This is unlike double-clicking on a clip in a sequence which brings up the filter settings tab for the clip. So the question is this: how do you view the filter settings of a sequence? Select Sequence 1 inside of Sequence 2’s timeline (do not double-click). then select View->Sequence from FCP’s menus. This will show you the sequence’s filter settings.
If you send us a short clip (before Twixtor has been applied) and your FCP project that tries to extend it by a factor of 3, we can see where you are going wrong. Please make sure to send along which version of FCP you are using. You can send this to techsupport (at) revisionfx (dot) com
Pete
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WHen you unzipped the file,. did you click on the StartHere.html file in the top-level directory? The main page gives you and introduction to Twixtor, which you should absolutely read. The “start” page explains where everything is located.
Then click on the “Introduction” button after reading the “Start” page. Then, after that, click on one of the four buttons for After Effects, Premiere Pro, combustion or Final Cut Pro.
(Basically, In the ProjectsAndMovies subdirectory, with all the movies are also some project files:
for AE they are located in the AETwixtorProjects.sit (for Mac, you’ll need Stuffit Expander to expand the package of AE projects) or in AETwixtorProjects.zip (for Win) There are also CombustionWorspaces (.sit and .zip), FCPTwixtor project files (one for using the AE-compatible version of Twixtor in FCP, Intel, one for using the AE-compatible version of Twixtor in FCP on PPC Mac, and one using the FxPlug version of Twixtor), and there are similar Premiere Pro files.)After you unstuff or unzip the appropriate files, you will have projects that allow you to work with the tutorials as a walkthrough guide.
Pete
https://www.revisionfx.com -
WHen you unzipped the file,. did you click on the StartHere.html file in the top-level directory? The main page gives you and introduction to Twixtor, which you should absolutely read. The “start” page explains where everything is located.
Then click on the “Introduction” button after reading the “Start” page. Then, after that, click on one of the four buttons for After Effects, Premiere Pro, combustion or Final Cut Pro.
(Basically, In the ProjectsAndMovies subdirectory, with all the movies are also some project files:
for AE they are located in the AETwixtorProjects.sit (for Mac, you’ll need Stuffit Expander to expand the package of AE projects) or in AETwixtorProjects.zip (for Win) There are also CombustionWorspaces (.sit and .zip), FCPTwixtor project files (one for using the AE-compatible version of Twixtor in FCP, Intel, one for using the AE-compatible version of Twixtor in FCP on PPC Mac, and one using the FxPlug version of Twixtor), and there are similar Premiere Pro files.)After you unstuff or unzip the appropriate files, you will have projects that allow you to work with the tutorials as a walkthrough guide.
Pete
https://www.revisionfx.com -
Hello back,
I’ve sent you mail, but perhaps it went to your spam folder? Please note that we do all of our customer support through email because that way we both have a written record of questions and answers, and keeps your costs significantly lower. We try to be responsive as possible (if we are not near our email, we are not near our phones either), but sometimes email gets gobbled-up by spam filters and such.
Here’s what I said in the email I sent :
Sorry about not getting back to you, sometimes email go to a spam folder. And your email of yesterday unfortunately went to our spam folder and even though we check our spam folders, sometimes email gets missed. But we did receive today’s email.
We will change the license for free. However, we need you to fill out our license transfer form that states you won’t use the previous license. Please sign, scan and send it back. Download the transfer form here: https://www.revisionfx.com/support/faqs/licensingfaqsnodelocked/license_transfer/ (there is one for Fusion). Print it out, sign it, scan it and email it back to us and we’ll get you your new license. If you want to fax it to us, write to me at sales(at)revisionfx(dot)com and I’ll get you our fax number. However, if you fax it to us, let us know via email that you’ve sent it, because I’ll need someone to go check the fax machine because we are out of the office at a trade show right now.
Once we get the form we’ll get you your new key,
Pete Litwinowicz