[Mpigott]

Ok, so the XDCAM is actually psf and not p then.

When I import my footage into FCP from the Sony “teleporter”
(my name, it is actually the transfer software)
and drop it onto an XDCAM 23.976 timeline the video color code is
grey (no-render required)

But should I really be porting my footage to this codec (due to the
long GOP)

Other codecs I can try are Apple Pro-Res 24p or the Kona Pro-Res 24p.

Are these codecs actually frame compatible with XDCAM, and if not
what codec should I use in FCP?

Thanks for your help

[Mpigott]

To answer my own question; the Apple codec 24 is really 23.976 according to Compressor;
so I will use this

[Mpigott]

Do you think that DVDITPRO HD can read the XDCAM style movies directly
(even though it is a PC) or does a PC never have the full complement of CODECS
in QT that Mac has?

[Mpigott]

Do you know if the master file from which the h264 was made, an XDCAM 24p direct as a self contained
QT from FCP 6.02 would also have pulldown flags?

It is listed in DVDSP4 as 23.98 in the assets list, and 29.97 in the inspector-this is the same way the
h264 file made from this is displayed in DVDSP4??

Thanks

(I can burn with the XDCAM QT no problems)

[Michael Sacci] “23.98 streams have flags set for the pulldown and this is what is being displayed in the inspector, you are fine here.

Don’t know what to say about the crashing.
“

[Mpigott]

I’d just like to confirm that all the graphics in another HD movie
came in at 29.97fps (tifs and jpgs) EVEN though the sequence setting
is for XDCAM 24p 35Mbps VBR.

This certainly sounds like this could look like bad pulldown and wrong
frames causing stutter!

I will have to isolate each and every still (that is pan animated)
and change the frame rate to 23.976 manually- and hopefully this is
what caused the frame stutter issue

[mark pigott] “It seems as though there are way more frames than should be
(remember the test movie is one graphic, and one left to right pan)

The picture staggers across the screen rather than a smooth pan”

I got tipped off with this post
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/8/999303

[Mpigott]

Would this mean that graphics for an XDCAM 24p sequence would suffer
from the same issue. I posted above in regards to this
(24p, graphics and pans)

I will investigate this further….

[Kurt Wiley] “Here’s what I found in a tutorial at lynda.com : a way to do this:

1. Import your stills (they apparently come in at 29.97 no matter what).
2. Drag the stills to the sequence.
3. Select all of those stills you just dragged into the sequence.
4. CNTL-click on selected stills and choose the “Duration (number)…” item in the contextual menua.
5. You will then see a Duration window appear showing what the stills duration ___for that sequence__ are.
6. Enter the duration you want for all the items (0:00:00:01 being 1 frame).
7. The items will “magically” readjust themselves to your chosen default setting.

The “default” preference is of little help without this “sequence by sequence” trick.

That appears to solve my problem.
I’ve posted this to help others stymied by this FCP wierdness. :-)”

[Mpigott]

So, what I need to do is output via the Kona 1080p 24 setting AND get a monitor that is 100%
24p capable for testing purposes and view the output live via component to judge this issue.

I can tell you right now that the XDCAM Cinelata camera had the Shutter set to OFF on the front of the
camera. Would this cause frame stutter? This might have been the issue from the getgo?

As this was our first HD video, you can imagine I’ve been pulling my hair out!

Thanks for your kind advise

[Wayne Carey] “I think you are still missing what I am saying…

When you watch TRUE 24p on a monitor, there will be some stuttering. This is because 24p doesn’t translate to 30p or 60i equally. This is the reason for pull-down.

In order to do smooth pans and fast movement in 24p, you need to have your shutter properly set for the effect (usually runs at 1/48th) and the speed of which the pan happens has be of an equivalent of 24.

FCP is totally capable of handling XDCAM HD. XDCAM HD runs at an average of 5.8 mb/s. Well with range of ANY single hard drive on the market. I have even edited XDHD on a dual 1 gHz G4 Mac without problem.

We do this all of the time and don’t have this issue you are speaking”

[Mpigott]

Quote:You still haven’t said what Easy Setup you are using. If this setting you are choosing isn’t right, your video will stutter and be jumpy. ENDQUOTE

From The Easy Setup I selected HD-24frames per second
XDCAM 1080p 24 VBR

The reason I did the test is I have a feeling that something in FCP isn’t up to snuff; it is almost
like it does not have enough horsepower to run this; although the XDCAM footage was moved to
a U320s Huge System Drive and we tested the speed to be 300M per second throughput.

I would never rely on the viewer alone..it is part of the debug process…start at the start
the XDCAM footage, FCP settings etc…

Thanks

[Mpigott]

When I view the 24p footage in the viewer (with Video Output disabled)-Should FCP show the video as smooth with pulldowm , or
staggered and jumpy as it appears on my veiwer.

The test I did was to bring in a problem pan clip (video) and a
problem graphics pan (tiff) directly into a frsh 1080p 24 XDCAM
timeline. By playing the two clips to the viewer only- the frame
stutter is evident-is this normal (we run a 2.5G Dual G5 with 2G RAM,
FCP 6.02, and QT 7.31)

[Wayne Carey] “This all depends on you Sequence settings. If you selected your Easy Setup to be XDCAM HD 23.97 then you should be edit 23.97. Now, there is pulldown associated with this because we live in a world in the US that uses 60 hz electricity, that means we use NTSC or ATSC settings for 60i or 30p as a standard of video. 24p throws that for a loop hence the pulldown, otherwise, you’ll see this stepping or stuttering you are seeing.

You can output this to a true 24p on export and compression using Compressor. But here’s where the real confusion comes from… You can only watch true 24p on a true 24p monitor and most monitors (including LCD tvs are not true 24p), otherwise you’ll see a stutter as the tv or monitor as it tries to add a pulldown to your DVD that you are watching.

The Sony Transfer Software doesn’t remove the pulldown.

Confusing, isn’t it…

Anyone else wish to elaborate?

_______________________________

Wayne Carey
Schazam Productions
https://web.mac.com/schazamproductions
schazamproductions@mac.com“

[Mpigott]

[Wayne Carey] “You can only watch true 24p on a true 24p monitor and most monitors (including LCD tvs are not true 24p), otherwise you’ll see a stutter as the tv or monitor as it tries to add a pulldown to your DVD that you are watching. “

So, this stutter would be evident on a HD DVD as well; this is what my masters are showing?
(monitored out of a HD DVD and a LG 20LS7D LCD monitor)

The workflow is XDCAM 24p, Sony XFer FAM, XDCAM 24p timeline, export as same (self-contained QT)
DVD Studio PRO HD DVD master