[Mitch Ives]

[Steve Connor] “That’s true for the lower spec models, but your 8 Core with dual 700’s and 1TB flash is $3000 more than the iMac!”

And a Mercedes cost more than a Ford… I’m not sure we’ve made any process in this discussion.

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Herb Sevush] “In the case of the quote under discussion, the observation that every new war is planned with the outmoded lessons learned in the previous war has been around since at least the civil war and is an accepted doctrine in military planning. So, doctor’s or not, the quote is on pretty safe ground.”

I think the case that some things are still relevant could be made… as in “those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”. Perhaps more relevant, if we fought wars properly the first time, we wouldn’t have to keep repeating this exercise…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

Ahh the assumptive part… “if it’s true”?

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

The 5K iMac will no doubt be a desirable thing, but we shouldn’t confuse it with a Mac Pro. I’ve worked with it at Apple… I like it, but it’s not like my “loaded 8” new MacPro.

Why… there are a lot of differences. The nMP has dual GPU’s and the D700’s are very quick. The iMac doesn’t have that. Bus speeds on the front side, etc. have differences. The nMP has three separate TB controllers, so I can keep the disk array on a separate one, other drives on one, other things on the third. Makes a big difference. These are just a few.

To make the new iMac really useful, you’ll need to max it out… at which point it isn’t cheap. The difference in price pretty much disappears, other than the fact that you save the cost of the monitor.

Should people always choose a nMP over the iMac. Of course not. But let’s recognize the differences.

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

Edit on a loaded MacPro and you may change your mind…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

Not to put too fine a point on things, but what the hell do a couple of Dr’s know about war?

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Thomas Carter] “The usefulness of ‘trackless editing’ reaches far beyond the visual metaphor. But quickly to address the visuals, I did this to divide the day and the night of the interactive story. With one quick lasso I could enable, or disable either side of the edit, while I worked on the other.”

I gathered that and thought it was a rather intuitive approach. Has me re-thinking some things. Great idea…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Kannan Raghavan] “It was shocking to finally hear you. You sound like THAT?!:)”

Bill was in Radio at one point in his life. He’s done a lot of Voiceover work as well… including some for my projects. So yes, he sounds good.

Congratulations Bill on your appearance…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Bret Williams] “Don’t forget to add the cost of a 27″ 5k display to the nMP price you’re comparing the iMac to.”

I believe my original post said that…

The iMac is cheaper… no argument there. The question that’s being bantered is how much cheaper… and is it really comparable to the nMP?

The answer is no… not on the intensive stuff… but as Walter pointed out, if Apple had made the nMP a dual processor then the answer could have been “hell no”…

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill

[Mitch Ives]

[Robin S. Kurz] “I’ve in fact tested it with FCP and Motion, yes. The difference—also given a healthy amount of RAM for each machine—in the overall performance is in fact nominal between all three models. Single digit percentage at best, but also non-scientific. Would I spec the lowest one for general use? No, since that’s not all I do either. “

I’d have to call BS on this. There were a boatload of tests done on the nMP when it came out and there were noticeable differences in speed between the 4, 6 and 8 core models. The 12 was a case of diminishing returns. We tested the 4 and the 8, and went with the 8 as there IS a major difference on many of the things we do. If what you say no one would buy anything but a stripped 4 core.

BTW, put in a boatload of ram (like 64GB)… that’s really made Motion a dream and it allows FCP X to crank.

[Robin S. Kurz] “[Mitch Ives] “I’d have to look again, but I saw it as $4,500 once it’s equipped.”

No idea what you’re putting together there, but in my book it’s more like $2,749.00 for max GPU, plus less than $200 for a total of 24GB of RAM. The RAM obviously NOT from Apple.”

Go on their website and set the machine up like you’re serious about this business. Get the faster processor, get the 32GB of ram, dump the gimmicky fusion drive and get a 1TB SSD (huge speed difference), get the 295 graphics card with double the ram… you’re at $4,399.

I love it when people compare stripped models to higher end nMP’s… not much point.

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill