[John Pilgrim]

Also, you need a driver to mount the P2 Card on a Mac before it will show up in the Fidner and be available to FCP5:
https://eww.pavc.panasonic.co.jp/pro-av/support/cs/csregistp2m/soft/pcdriver_mac.zip

[John Pilgrim]

OK,
I think we have a solution. Adam Wilt was very helpful over on the SF Cutters mailing list and provided a useable process.

He said that when you select the F1-only mode in CineTools’ Remove 2:3 Pulldown, it effectively does a 2:3:3:2 pulldown removal, not a 2:3 pulldown removal.

I tested it with footage from the HVX as well as test clips I made in After Effects. This method with CineTools correctly transfered both even and odd fields, despite being called F1-only. Just to be sure, I compared still frames from the original and the CineTools processed footage using a difference blending mode in Photoshop and they were identical for a set of A,B,C, and D frames from the 2:3:3:2 cadence. No evidence of recompression either.

The one downside is that CineTools produces a file that the Finder shows to be 640×360, but both QT Player and FCP show to be
1920×1080. It’s a minor annoyance.

After Effects still treats the file produced by CineTools like it is really 640×360, which makes it unusable there due to pixelation when you scale it up. Fortunately AE’s Interpret Footage command does correctly remove 24pA pulldown, so the original 1080i24pA files from the HVX can be used in AE directly without having to use CineTools.

Hope this helps and thanks again to Adam for his expertise.
John

[John Pilgrim]

With a regular NTSC monitor, FCP has to insert a pulldown to convert from the sequence’s 23.976 framerate to the monitor’s 29.97 framerate. You can choose which pulldown cadence in the System Settings/Playback Control tab, but you can’t avoid it unless you have a high end HD monitor that accepts native HD (720p / 1080i) or at least native 480/24p.
John

[John Pilgrim]

Gary wrote: /snip/ Select the Style 2 from the Pulldown to get a different set of frame choice combinations. /snip/

But those aren’t actually different combinations, just a different style of notation. They are the same 2:3 cadence:
AA BB _BC_ _CD_ DD
is the same as
A1A2 B1B2 B3C1 C2D1 D2D3

That is,
two fields from the A frame,
three fields from the B frame,
two fields from the C frame,
three fields from the D frame

That’s 2:3, so I don’t trust that CT isn’t going to attempt to pull 2:3 out of 2:3:3:2.

Depending on how CT goes about that, at best it’s going to result in recompressing the C frame, which defeats my desire to use advanced pulldown to begin with. At worse, it may reverse the upper and lower fields of the C frame.

I’M STILL WAITING for someone to address the ORIGINAL QUESTION that I asked: namely, that none the frame options in this “Remove 2:3 pulldown” dialog make sense for 2:3:3:2.

Gary, you’ve mentioned an “Auto” button in CT. Would you mind detailing where in CT or the CT manual this can be found. I’m still trying to figure out why CT (ver 2.2) isn’t providing the “Automated Remove Advanced 2:3:3:2 Pullsown” dialog for this 24pA footage as shown on page 197 of the manual.

[John Pilgrim]

Gary wrote: /snip/ but you did not check properly check that the field order of 1080 footage is upperfield first. < F2-F1 in CT> I can only go on what info I am shown and that was incorrect, the field order was also incorrect. /snip/

Well, this seems to contradict page 118 of the CT manual which says: for “Both fields, with field 1 dominance” use “F1 – F2”

[John Pilgrim]

Umm Gary,
First, I really appreciate your help.

Second, sorry for not switching the Conform to frame rate to 23.98 before I took the screen shot. I’m WELL aware that 24 doesn’t equal 23.98. That setting doesn’t actually make a difference to the fields option presented at the bottom of the dialog, which is the REAL problem here. (https://bartlettstreet.com/CT_23.png)

Third, notice those field options at the bottom of the dialog. They go AA BB BC CD DD, or if you group the like fields together: AA BBB CC DDD, which is a 2:3 cadence, not a 24pA cadence (AA BB BC CC DD or AA BBB CCC DD). I see this dialog as asking me what the starting frame is in 2:3 telecined footage, meaning that *none* of them would produce correct results with 2:3:3:2 material.

Thanks again for your input.

John

[John Pilgrim]

I’d like to use CT but when given a 1080i24pA file from the HVX, CT only presents options for a 2:3 pulldown removal, not 2:3:3:2. The options CT gives don’t make any sense for 24pA: https://bartlettstreet.com/CT_23.png or at least I’m not groking them.
John

[John Pilgrim]

Thanks Gary!
I have looked in Cinema Tools. When I open a 1080i24pA clip in Cinema Tools and choose Reverse Telecine, I get a dialog for “Remove the telecine 3:2 pulldown” that is rather different from the “Automated Reverse Advanced 2:3:3:2 Pulldown” dialog shown on page 197 of the Cinema Tools manual (which I RTFM’d before posting). Seems like Cinema Tools isn’t any more happy with HVX 1080i24pA footage than FCP. Thoughts?
John

BTW: CinemaTools ver 2.2, and FCP 5.04