[Joe Huggins]

Michael,

Thanks, that does work, but I’m afraid the picky AEs do not want that extra step of matching to audio and not seeing video, then re-sublipping. I was hoping we could find a way to unlink/link a subclip and not match to the original audio. I’ll ask them if they can accept this.

BTW, I just realized who you are. I used to sell Avids in Georgia, you wrote the book on Avid as I recall and are a big 007 fan, right? Thanks for responding to my posts.

Thanks, Film Joe

[Joe Huggins]

Thanks for the reply.

Yes we telecine MOS and sync in Avid with a 4 track (or more sometimes)BWF. Usually track one is a mix and 2-4 are iso dialogue tracks. Then a subclip is made that merges the audio and video together. If the editor wants to use an iso track in his cut, we have the problem stated in the unlink and modify audio relink.

Does that clarify?

Thanks, Film Joe

[Joe Huggins]

Thanks Pradip, that might eliminate a step and extra keystroke.

Thanks, Film Joe

[Joe Huggins]

Pradip,

Thank you for clarifing, that is most helpful. We did test that and it works. However, I’m told it adds many steps. Since the film TC and audio TC are different, we have to first make a video subclip, then an audio subclip, then go to the browser window, select the 2 clips and create Merge based on In/Out.

I think Avid stream lines those 3 steps in one command. Do you know of any way third party software or other technique to reduce the number of steps to consolidate this faster?

Thanks, Film Joe

[Joe Huggins]

Jerry,

Thanks for the reply, but I’m told that does not answer the key question. While we do have a merged AV clip, once you start cutting in the timeline and you select that clip by using ‘match frame’ to find the source clip, THAT is when the audio does not come up in the source window, it only shows the MOS clip for that take. This is a function used heavily in features.

Is there a way to be sure ‘match frame’ brings up the audio with the clip. Thanks for a clarification. Joe

Thanks, Film Joe

[Joe Huggins]

Bouke,

I’m not sure I was clear. We do not have an XCam drive or file or deck. We are transferring film to an Avid in Avid 115 DNxHD format. My question was, can an Avid file (standard mxf DNxHD) be exported/transcoded in XDCam 50 mxf format? I can not ‘mount’ a drive or a file as I do not start from an XDCam format.

Does this help clarify my question?

Thanks, Film Joe

[Joe Huggins]

John,

That’s a good idea. We have looked at CatDV but as I recall, to make this work you do need to fully render a new file as the ref file does not work. So that adds another render step – and doulbe the media space- to the process and possibly negates the time saved.

I may be wrong about this but in demos I’ve asked this and recall that was not as time effecient as film editors can not work from reference movies. Am I wrong?

Thanks, Film Joe

[Joe Huggins]

John,

We use the Spirit like you. We do not make a 3:2 as we stay in HD dailies not SD.

The whole question is not about traditional telecine but the need to ‘reserse assemble’ using the ALE to automatically cut apart a long clip to match the TC and duration from the ALE.

Thanks, Film Joe

[Joe Huggins]

Matt,

you are correct, but you miss my point. It takes 4:1 time ratio to sync audio in a telecine (very costly). I can make a MOS version in a 2:1 ratio and synce in FCP in non-linear format faster and much cheaper.

Once I sync, the metadata file can be opened as an aux window if needed even if it is not permantly burned in from telecine.

I’m looking for faster cheaper not the old slow way that requires a tape deck and digitizing. I still need a way to reverse assemble a file into subclips using the ALE (MOS) file.

Thanks, Film Joe

[Joe Huggins]

Bouke,

I see you did respond here also. The workflow is still unkown. We can make the film punch match 1 hr 0 frame as you say with no problem. Now there is one camera roll clip 10 min long.

How do I use the ALE that marks each take when the telecine rolls, to cut or reverse assemble that 10 min clip into exact lenght subclips. If the subclip duration does not match the ALE durations, CTDB will not create a clean converstion. See my problem?

Also, when we sync sound in FCP, do you know a way to make the Audio Source TC appear in a column in CTDB? Since it is not created during telecine (MOS) the ALE has no audio source to begin with and it must come whem we synce and make new subclips. Does this make more sense?

Thanks, Film Joe