James Culbertson
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “It’s basically dead, if interesting, software walking. It would genuinely be better dead at this point for industry clarity.”
There are a lot of folks using it who are staying below the radar due to all the FUD thrown up by detractors.
Beyond FCP7, I’m starting to get requests for FCPX here in Seattle area (narrative short, doc, and corporate so far). No requests yet for Premiere (or MC). I do hear it is being used more extensively at Microsoft Studios. But I have not heard of many using Premiere around here otherwise. I’m figuring I will have to learn Premiere at some point, but I am not drawn to it like I am FCPX and the comfort of FCP7.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “Or at least until NAB.
At which point X may kind of expire as a notion for paid editing. God knows it’s been coming.”
What? Is Apple re-releasing FCS3/FCP7 disks at NAB?
Not that that would stop a lot of pros from continuing to use FCPX for paid work.
I’ve been trying to figure out if you are at the denial stage or the bargaining stage… “CS7 will convince all these deluded FCPX users of the Right Way to edit.”
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[Oliver Peters] “Me neither. I always convert to an edit friendly format first – either externally or via FCP 7 L&T. I currently do not like, nor trust the FCP X “import from camera card” methods.”
Oliver, what do you not trust about FCPX import? (I’ve been working native almost exclusively, with the occasional post-import transcode, and have not had any issues so far.)
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Ah, thanks Nik. Now I understand the difference. And thanks Bill for getting me a fix for what was already done.
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[Carsten Orlt] “no idea what it might mean but it is interesting :
https://www.macrumors.com/2013/03/19/adobe-chief-technology-officer-kevin-ly...”He prefers FCPX over Premiere?
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“[Brett Sherman] “I just wonder how much of this discussion boils down to different types of videos and different roles in making the videos.”
Considering that all NLE’s have been used to edit all kinds of videos, I would have to disagree in general. For me at least, which NLE I use is matter of personal preference (though sometimes a particular NLE is mandated by the powers that be).
This discussion, for me, has (again) illustrated the diverse ways and workflows by which we as editors do our work, particularly with respect to bin organization but in many other ways too. It has also been illuminating as to the many ways that spatial thinking and memory manifest in the editing realm whether one uses FCPX or not.
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[David Lawrence] “Remove the word “conditioned” and we’re in agreement. Cognitive science suggests we’re wired the way we’re wired.”
That’s a pretty general statement to make. You need to specify which “wires” you are referencing, and even then it really depends upon your motivations and commitment to change. When one puts Cognitive Science, Neurobiology, and Psychology (all of which I studied in college) into the context of the “meditative” radical-empirical traditions like Buddhism you will begin to see that it’s a much greater grey area than the simple reductions of cognitive science suggest. Just my proto-graduate studies in neuro-plasticity contradict the notion that we are hard-wired. There is a mix of nature’s “hard-wiring” with nurture’s conditioning (or habituating). It takes hard work to notice and change deeper “wiring,” but it is not necessarily impossible. Buddhists say that a full-time meditator can even potentially un-wire the (cognitive) notion of space, time, and sense of ego or “I-ness.” …Do I digress?
In any case, I don’t see that “we are wired the way we are wired” applies to the kinds of activities we are discussing in this thread. I may not work spatially in the way Aindreas and others have described, but there is no question I could learn to if I needed or wanted to.
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“[James Culbertson] “If you had asked me prior to this thread, I would have said that FCPX was the most visual of any NLE I have used.”
Ah, thanks Chris. This makes more sense to me now. What we are really talking about is different organizational styles, which form a continuum that includes spatial and other types of thinking.
It sounds like FCPX (or any NLE for that matter) works for some modes of spatial thinking but not as well for others. Though perhaps preference is a better word than mode as mode might suggest there isn’t some amount of choice or adaptation involved (whatever NLE we might talk about).
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If you had asked me prior to this thread, I would have said that FCPX was the most visual of any NLE I have used. So, it is interesting to hear that some folks think it is less so than other editing apps.
Off the cuff I would say that for me that is because FCPX’s metadata and database capabilities are much more efficient than other editing apps and allow me to move away from the verbal/textual to the timeline more quickly and efficiently.
For me editing is about perceptual absorption and intuitive reaction when I am wired up (as they say in the Social Network). Of course there is an intellectual/analytical component in making decisions. But I feel like FCPX allows me to spend less time thinking and more time getting into the audio/visual flow of editing.
Bottom line: I don’t agree with the original highly philosphical premise of this thread.
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Of course you can select more than one keyword collection to have them presented at the same time in the event list or clip view (and then sort them secondarily there).
Interesting to hear of others workflows. I didn’t understand the premise of Aindreas’s workflow at first. And then I realized that I essentially always worked in FCP legacy the way that FCPX presents clips (listview sorting of bins/clips in the browser almost 100% of the time). Perhaps it’s my memory but this has always worked for me whether called bins or keyword collections. And I’ve worked on feature length documentaries with 100+ hours of footage…
I do tend to use timelines to rough out interviews and B-Roll. And I still do that in FCPX in some cases. But I find that FCPX event functionality makes it so I don’t need to use timelines in the same fashion quite as much.
Just got done with a 4 minute edit referencing about 20 hours of footage. My feeling is that I am more efficiently able to remember and find footage in FCPX than I am in FCP legacy. But I don’t know if that is because my visual memory is improving or if FCPX is better at visual organization with respect to my workflow. I am very careful about naming and comments/notes to facilitate searching.