Herb Sevush
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[Steve Connor] “I’ve used multicam on both, but only picture cuts in relatively simple conference and music videos, while I prefer the FCPX implementation, they are both relatively similar and I wouldn’t say FCPX was “exponentially” better. Can’t speak for edits with more complex audio though.”
[Steve Connor] “I’ve used multicam on both, but only picture cuts in relatively simple conference and music videos, while I prefer the FCPX implementation, they are both relatively similar”
Steve, I invite you to a thread I just started to further this discussion.
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/76770
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[James Ewart] “I would dearly love to spend a day with Herb showing how brilliant FCPX Multicam is.”
James, I invite you to a thread I just started to do precisely that.
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/76770
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[Walter Soyka] “That’s why I think the market share reference is orthogonal.”
Had to look that up. Nice usage, thanks for that one.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “I think maybe you need to differentiate between thread and forum.”
No, the style of this forum is that the thread’s are as diverse as the forum, so there is no need to differentiate. Feel free to OT as much as you would like. I certainly do.
[Robin S. Kurz] “The trial version is free and there are endless resources on the subject to be had on the interwebs. Not something I need or care to do, thank you. Aside from that being entire OT as far as this thread is concerned, as I said. If you want to disagree based upon actual knowledge on the subject, that’s certainly your prerogative.”
I wasn’t disagreeing, I was asking for enumeration. I have researched the topic somewhat, and have found no major advantages in either case for X or for Ppro as far as multicam is concerned, but maybe I have missed something. Since you made such an extraordinary case for X I was hoping you might clarify it; the idea of downloading an X trial and spending months only to find out that I had wasted my time was not on my agenda, not with such an expert on multicam as you on this forum. But alas, poor me, you neither “need or care” to back up your statements, so I will have to treat them accordingly.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Multicam is an entirely different subject on its own. Something I’d say X does exponentially better than any other NLE on the market btw. But that, too, is entirely OT.”
First of all, nothing relating to editing is OT on this thread, or on any thread in this forum. Every couple of months someone wants to change the name of this forum to reflect it’s diversity and while I’ve never subscribed to that notion, the one forum name I would suggest would be The Editor’s OT forum.
Second of all, since my livelihood depends on it, I would like to hear you enumerate on those aspects of X that make it “exponentially” better than any other NLE on the market. If true, even if just “slightly” better, it would give me a good reason to try X, which is something I’ve never had up till now. So please, enlighten me.
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[John Rofrano] ” At that point it was more like B-Roll. It’s actually a multi-camera edit where we have several cameras at different angles to the the painter and the canvas. Bad example I guess.”
Since I edit primarily multicam, it’s not a bad example at all, in the context of this discussion.
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[John Rofrano] “I get the feeling that in Herb’s case, what you see is often not connected to what you hear and so disconnecting video and audio makes sense so that the audio experience, which often requires continuity, is not affected by the video experience which can be temporally different at times on purpose.”
Yes.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “You describe a couple of said rare exceptions”
One man’s exceptions are another man’s daily bread. I will state this again, I can’t ever imagine a situation in which I routinely wanted my audio effects to be locked to my video effects. In rare exceptions this might happen, but as a matter of course, it’s outside my realm of experience.
[Robin S. Kurz] “And if you’re actually constantly detaching the audio, then no, you certainly should not be using X”
Well then, we both came to the same conclusion.
[Robin S. Kurz] ” I really have to wonder why you’re even here in this forum, other than to sing the praises of other/your NLE and continuously proclaim how insufficient and useless FCP X is”
I need the eggs.
[Robin S. Kurz] ” Are you sure you know how X works?”
No, I’m quite sure I don’t know exactly how X works, since we’ve both determined that it doesn’t fit my workflow. This part of the thread was part of an explanation of why some editor’s decision not to use X might actually be logical as opposed to a genetic disorder.
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[Robin S. Kurz] ” but then I can’t think of when and why I would actually want my video and audio transitions to be a different length.”
Really. So if you have, let’s say, 2 beautiful slo-mo shots of a skier and you do a 2 second dissolve between those shots, total running time of 20 seconds, and underneath it you have his thoughts as narration constructed out of 4 different audio bites, you would want to have those audio bites connected with 60 frame audio dissolves? Or are you saying IF the audio is connected to the video you would want the audio effect to match the video effect, in which case I give you the case of a 1 second dissolve between 2 scenes where you can hear the director giving the action cue just before the talent speaks in the second clip – do you really want the audio effect to match the video effect right there?
For that matter I can’t think of any time I want the length of my audio effect to be determined by the length of a video effect. Those are 2 totally separate aesthetic decisions and connecting them by the happenstance of technology that nowadays attaches the audio to the same bit of media as the video is the reason why I always detach those items as soon as I get past the assembly stage.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[John Rofrano] “Someone has got to travel towards the horizon while everyone around them is saying that the world if flat. Those are the FCP X users. Meet you at the horizon. ;-)”
As someone who has at times bet his money on “bleeding edge” technologies, this is an interesting topic. From a business perspective being an early adapter is a risky business plan, good upside if you establish yourself in an emerging field, bad downside if you invest your time and money in a technological dead end, or worse yet, get to a technology too early, go broke, and then see other’s cleaning up in a field you had entered years before.
Another problem with being an early adapter is that even if you gain exposure when successfully guessing which way the wind is blowing, that notoriety will be short lived when those with deeper pockets decide to enter the field. Being first does not equate with being best nor lasting longest, so if your in this as a business and your trying to make some money I’m not sure that chasing the horizon is the best way to spend your time. If it’s an avocation, well then, bon voyage.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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