Herb Sevush
22
COW Coins
20
Premiere Pro Coins
Forum Replies Created
-
Your jogging my memory. Edit Lister was as you described, Edit Master was the version that actually controlled the machines. I came from film and hated linear video editing, though I do miss using software where I knew the developer by name and could request improvements with a phone call.
RT11 discs,now there’s a memory jolt.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions -
I loved “Edit Lister.” My favorite piece of editing software, all-time. A CMX emulator that cost peanuts, ran on any PC, worked frame accurately with 3/4, VHS, or Beta decks with incredibly good list cleaning software including list tracing so you could use edit masters as new sources. Lon McQuillin wrote it and you could call him directly for update requests. I’ve once walked into a PBS station with one of those lists, had 5 machines loaded with 1″ masters, and soon the whole edit staff came by to see a 1 hour show create itself on the fly. When it finished they applauded.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions -
Kim –
I need your advice. I’ve just signed a contract to cut a 26 episode cable show. It’s all tapeless, multi-cam with tight deadlines. I need to add 3 new seats to handle the work. What should I do —
1) Use FCPX — ooops, no multi-cam, can’t handle it.
2) Get 3 new licenses of FCP7 — ooops, Apple isn’t selling any, my boss refuses to risk getting anything E-bay, and FCP7 doesn’t handle AVC without time and disk consuming re-wrapping.
3) Use Adobe, handles AVC natively, handles multi-cam, is legally available now.“if apple had introduced fcpx as imovie pro no one would have blinked and eye. we’d only be hearing praises form editors moving from imovie and none of this silly backlash would have happened”
The main problem isn’t FCPX, the main problem is there isn’t going to be a FCP8. Apple has done basically nothing in the last 2 updates except to add value by buying software, like Color, and adding it to the suite. Even if they called the new software Imovie Pro, FCP editors would still be howling and searching for new platforms, but in lesser numbers, because FCP7 is already a 3 year old program. The debacle of EOLing the software has just sped up the transformation.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions -
Your correct, I do take this personally, being a person and all, as do many of the other posters here, which accounts for the heated level of the conversation. Which is why, while I appreciate the sympathy, a better idea would be to refrain from hectoring others about the way they express themselves, with all of us living in glass houses, as we do.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions -
“now you’re telling me that I’m wrong about what I meant?”
No, I’m saying you’re unaware of what you mean. The fact that you can’t see the condescension you speak doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It’s quite common. Most people speak unconsciously most of their lives.
As in this very next sentence.
“I did not, do not, and never have knowingly had an interest in demeaning those who feel that they need to stick with their current software.”
We don’t need to stick with our current software, because we can’t. We are “bravely experimenting” with new platforms that meet our needs, in a way that FCPX doesn’t. So you’re not demeaning people who feel they need to stick with their current software, your demeaning people who can’t stick with their current software because it no longer exists.
It’s like your consistent use of the word “abandon” in some of your posts. The context is that WE, the complainers, are abandoning FCP. No one here is abandoning FCP, Apple has abandoned us. And no one here is abandoning FCPX, because we were never a part of it. You can’t abandon someone who has thrown you out, and you can’t abandon someplace you’ve never been.
I don’t retract anything I’ve said here. You are the one that’s been passing judgement on the way others communicate. It doesn’t surprise me that you are unable to turn that same critical eye upon yourself.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions -
William –
I totally agree with your point.
This is from a post by Simon Ubsdell a few weeks ago:
“Contrari-wise we look at Apple (now) and we see a business that only happens by chance to be travelling the same path as we are. Somehow we have chosen to ignore this for a number of years – suddenly the truth of it is inescapable. We have everything to lose, they have virtually nothing. Whether or not they are committed to carrying on along the same path as us, we have been made aware of how precarious the relationship is on our side. We have been very lucky so far, but now we realize that it was indeed luck all along.”
As for the quote, it’s just that I’m a bit of a Twain-o-phile and it didn’t sound right. I looked it up on the web and it is listed on one of those “famous quotes” sites as coming from Twain, along with a lot of other unattributed quotes, about 20% of which also didn’t sound like him. Attributing to Mark Twain is like attributing to Yogi Berra, 90% of it is 50% mental.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions -
“for you and those like you that value safety over experimentation – or who simply can’t risk on-going work on something untested.. Go ahead and change to something more comfortable. It’s a PERFECTLY rational move.”
Let’s see, you basically say that anyone who doesn’t stay with FCPX is a coward, and needs to be comfortable and safe. Let me rephrase the reverse and you tell me if you would like it.
“for you and those like you that value obsequiousness to Apple – or who simply can’t risk thinking about changing to a new platform … Go ahead and stay with Apple, I’m sure it’s more comfortable. It’s a PERFECTLY rational thing to do.”
I wouldn’t have mentioned it Bill, if you hadn’t made such a point about everyone else’s way of expressing themselves. You raised the bar, now you get to drink there.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions -
William –
“Never allow someone to be your priority while allowing yourself to be their option.”
I love the thought but I have big doubts about the attribution. Where, supposedly, did Mark Twain say that?
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions -
“for you and those like you that value safety over experimentation – or who simply can’t risk on-going work on something untested.. Go ahead and change to something more comfortable. It’s a PERFECTLY rational move.”
That’s an incredibly condescending line for someone busy preaching civility.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions -
“But why, then, did Apple even make FCPx it at all? Why not just keep developing iMovie?”
Marketing to their target, youtubers who think Imovie is for their younger brother. I have a friend with a 12 year old daughter who thinks Imovie is too un-cool to edit with. She’s the bottom end of the target, with corporate in-house post as the upper end.
“Just because it doesn’t export an OMF doesn’t mean it’s not built for “pros””
I agree here. It’s the conceptual design of the UI, with it’s emphasis on protecting the editor from making mistakes, that makes it a bad fit for high end post. Many of these I/O features will be added, mostly by third parties. If we had to wait for Apple to add them we would probably never see them. They can’t be bothered.
“I wish they could have gotten rid of fractional frame rates since we are throwing out legacies.”
It’s surprising they didn’t, considering their level of concern for broadcast editors. Well at least they were able to get rid of timecode readers on the timeline; timecode is so yesterday.
“If Avid would have partnered with 3rd parties 4 or 5 years ago, perhaps they wouldn’t have needed this boost to get them off of death row.”
The fact that after all these years I’m going to finally end up cutting on an Avid is what leaves me most depressed. If I wanted to cut with them, or Adobe for that matter, I would have switched years ago. Now I have no choice.
“I think having the project and events separated at the Finder level is awesome. This will allow further collaboration that was never possible with FCP Classic due to everything being locked in an FCP project. You have to open the project to get a timeline out of it, now I can drag an event (the organization) or FCPx timeline (the editing) to another computer without having to open FCPx. Pretty convenient.”
There are many features I’m sure I would be excited about if I thought this product was aimed at me. But it isn’t. Hopefully I’ll get excited by someone who’s actually interested in the broadcast arena. Maybe Lightworks, who knows?
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions