[Herb Sevush]

Great post. Thanks.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush]

[David Jackson] “Is it possible to re-route the base timeline that I have used for the multicam edit to a NW sequence??”

I don’t understand what you mean. What is a base timeline?

In order to answer your question I would need to know how you created your multiclip, specifically which of the audio setups you chose – 1 Camera, All Cameras, or Switched Audio?

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin\’ attached to nothin\’
\”Deciding the spine is the process of editing\” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Bill Davis] “Then you should call the American Film Institute folks to quibble with them”

You are right and I am wrong. I was thinking undergrad, which is where most kids I run into are going to film school. As for AFI, that is one place where I would be unequivocal; if they’re willing to take you, pack your bags and go, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin\’ attached to nothin\’
\”Deciding the spine is the process of editing\” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Bob Zelin] “This came after cutting a deal with Roger Corman, wherein Corman let Howard direct a film in exchange for Howard starring in Eat My Dust!, with Christopher Norris”

Roger Corman was the greatest film school ever – probably half the people on Bill’s list were happily exploited by him in their youth – along with the likes of Jonathan Demme, Joe Dante, John Sayles and John Cameron – but he didn’t give out a degree – just knowledge and experience.

https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/23528/8-hollywood-directors-from-the-roger-corman-film-school

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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\”Deciding the spine is the process of editing\” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Bill Davis] “OTOH, I suppose it’s just barely possible that he felt that an organized curriculum put together by people who had actually studied how to efficiently sequence learning and had a pedagogy, developed over time, that had been tuned for effectiveness might be a smarter play. Oh heck no. That’s crazy talk. Learning is unlike ANYTHING else. Putting it in a structure totally KILLS it. “

I don’t know what Ron Howard did or didn’t get out of going to film school, you’d have to ask him.

I do know that at least some of the folks on your original list got absolutely nothing out of film school, because they never went to film school — Terence Malick was a philosophy major at Harvard, Lynch was a painter at the Penn Academy of Fine Arts and Burton went to an art school where he studied animation.

Learning always has a structure, but it need not be organized by pedagogues. Sometimes a library card and an 8mm camera will do. It worked for Spielberg, it worked for every Director before 1970, and guess what – you don’t necessarily paint better for going to art school, or play better for going to music school and you don’t write better for having a degree in literature.

I believe in education, I believe in paying and treating our teachers better, but I’m one of those old guys that actually prefers someone with a well rounded liberal arts education as opposed to someone who sees college as trade school.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin\’ attached to nothin\’
\”Deciding the spine is the process of editing\” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Bill Davis] “…and legions more had just decided to save all the wasted film school money THEY invested and just “figured it all out” all on their own like the really smart folks. “

I think you’d have to ask them what they got out of the experience beyond networking with others, which is something that can happen while apprenticing in the business just as well. For myself, I have no preference between film school applicants and others when it comes to hiring – I find no correlation between college major and ability, although I do prefer some college as background, but a philosophy major is just fine if it’s the right person.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin\’ attached to nothin\’
\”Deciding the spine is the process of editing\” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Bill Davis] “Hey, what if each failure actually taught them something they needed to know?
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Failure is a great teacher, but that doesn’t make it any less a failure. I’m sure Ford learned a lot about car design after the Pinto kept blowing up, but that wasn’t much comfort to the people who were caught in the flames. While there’s no success like failure, failure ain’t no success at all – (i believe i didn’t originate that.)

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin\’ attached to nothin\’
\”Deciding the spine is the process of editing\” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Bill Davis] “Because of it – because I uncompromisingly argued for a thing I felt I was seeing that the larger market was missing, I got noticed. I thought it was just by folks on newsgroups like this – but I was GOBSMAKED when I realized that a MUCH wider world was watching.

There were literally moments when I was backstage somewhere and I went up to introduce myself to someone notable that I’d never met, I’d stick out my hand and say Hi, I’m Bill Davis” – and the response was “I know. Nice to finally meet you in person.”

So what started as a tiny personal crusade in an internet backwater, kinda came to have unexpected, lasting, and incredibly positive side effects for me.

I know way more cool people now, quite by accident, because I fought a clearly blue fight for so long.”

Bill, I’m glad you’ve gotten to know so many cool people, but for the folks on this forum do you think you could put up some kind of banner or notice when you’re actually arguing for what you believe as opposed to arguing to change the color values of the NLE multiverse. I know it would make my life much simpler.

Thanks.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin\’ attached to nothin\’
\”Deciding the spine is the process of editing\” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

[Bill Davis] “Perhaps we just see “failure” differently. “

Probably only when it comes to Apple products.

[Bill Davis] “I see the trash can as a stage in the evolution of Apples offerings. “

Sure, it’s the missing link between the Newton and the G4 Cube.

[Bill Davis] ” Yes, in hindsight, it had insurmountable issues effecting both performance and longevity, and never performed as perfectly as I’m sure Apple intended – yet in hindsight, when I look at, for example, the standalone eGPU unit just released by BlackMagic, it’s hard to argue that there wasn’t more than a bit of form factor influence from that much maligned unit.”

I agree. As a computer it was a failure but as a design concept it was pretty cool. Unfortunately I was in the market for a computer.

[Bill Davis] ” But the only thing I know for sure is that living through THIS pace of change – whatever is sitting on my desk today – will seem awfully old and cranky all too soon.”

But how soon is “all too soon?” The Trash can was old and cranky the day it was brought out. For me that is definitely “all too soon.”

[Bill Davis] “The hardware configuration goes out the door with the best design and performance compromises that can be figured out at that time’s price point – and then as data comes back in – things are expected to improved. That’s kinda what the “overclockers” started. Take what you get initially, and if you want to risk it – modify for improvement.”

Which is precisely what the nMac Pro was designed to prevent. That paradigm was bring unfinished design to market and then make it impossible to modify. Brilliant. But it did have a cool looking case.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin\’ attached to nothin\’
\”Deciding the spine is the process of editing\” F. Bieberkopf

[Herb Sevush]

Our difference seems to be that you see Apple as monolithic and I don’t. The iphone/ipad success did not stop the Mac division from releasing the Trash Can, a failure that Apple has acknowledged. I like my Ipad, I don’t like their workstation offerings. As an editor the latter is much more important to me than the former. I don’t think that success in one sphere means success in all.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin\’ attached to nothin\’
\”Deciding the spine is the process of editing\” F. Bieberkopf