[Frederic Lumiere]

Something’s up with these subclips… MC won’t let me enter timecode in them to navigate the clip.

Someone else was experiencing a similar issue with group clips:

https://community.avid.com/forums/p/106457/616291.aspx#616291

[Frederic Lumiere]

So moving the mxfs created by the AutoSync to the ‘1’ folder didn’t force PhraseFind to index them. Somehow, PF is still ignoring them. So when Autosync is done combining a video and audio clip it creates a subclip and trashes the reference to the masters in MC? I say this because the resulting icon looks like a subclip (different from the other master clips). I wonder why PF is ignoring these…

To make sure, I brought a new AMA file in, transcoded it to DNxHD and right away, I did see the new .pat files created by PhraseFind in the PhoneticData folder and the new clip is indexed properly. So PF definitely has a problem indexing MXFs created by MixDown/AutoSync.

Frederic Lumiere
Producer
Lumiere Media

[Frederic Lumiere]

Running MC 6.01 on 10.7.3

[Frederic Lumiere]

As I suspected, after monitoring PhraseFind re-indexing the whole project by watching the SearchData/PhoneticData folder, it ignores the ‘2’ folder which is where the new clips created by the Mixdown reside. Could this be a PhraseFind bug?

[Frederic Lumiere]

[Michael Phillips] “The index is somewhat monitored by the green ball in the FIND window. You will see 1/4 green, 1/2, green, 3/4 green, all green depending on state. PhraseFind will find all instances of clips which is good and bad… In the case of master clips, subclips, .sync clips, group clips, and multigroup clips, all of them will be returned and their is no filter for “clip type” so you have to sort and scroll as needed. “

Somehow the newly created sub clips by AutoSync aren’t being indexed by PhraseFind. I waited 4 hours, still nothing… so I just deleted the PhoneticData folder after shutting down MC and restarted it. I am now monitoring the PhoneticData folder rebuilding ‘1’, one clip at a time – indexing… The ball is still 1/2 green.

Side note: Somehow, the newly created sub clips in Avid MediaFiles appeared in a new ‘2’ folder, so I hope PhraseFind will look at that one too. BTW, why is a ‘2’ folder created sometime?

[Frederic Lumiere]

Nevermind:

“Will PhraseFind locate audio clips within Subclips or Group Clips?

Yes, PhraseFind does index and return Subclips and Group Clips.”

Somehow, it’s not searching my new sub clips. Maybe it needs more time. I wish we could monitor the indexing…

[Frederic Lumiere]

This was a great workflow until I discovered that PhraseFind won’t index subclips which is what AutoSync creates… Argh…

Any ideas?

Reference:

“PhraseFind indexes all of your bins upon first launch of a project. Each project is indexed separately, and re-indexing only occurs when new master clips are added to a bin.”

https://avid.custkb.com/avid/app/selfservice/search.jsp?DocId=389887&ssdFilterCommunity15=1408&ssdFilterCommunity10=369&ssdFilter_SearchKeyWord=&Hilite=#a10

[Frederic Lumiere]

Gotcha! We’ve been mis-communicating from the beginning 😉

I don’t use PluralEyes to sync my audio but DualEyes, the standalone app for the very reason you described.

So by the time I bring in the H.264 via AMA, all the clips have 2 sometime 3 or 4 audio tracks. I then transcode all the AMA’d H.264 and have DNxHD clips with multitrack audio. I then delete the AMAs.

PhraseFind works perfectly with these.

My issue was that for the interviews. I combine all the clips from that interview (max 10 min each) into a master interview sequence. I wished that PhraseFind gave me hits on the sequence and not the individual clips, therefore I find the following workflow much more workable:

– Sync the sequence with the first timecode of the first clip in that sequence.
– Video & Audio Mixdown the sequence (same codec – no transcode)
– Use Autosync to combine audio and video for that freshly created clip
– Delete all the original DNxHD clips I don’t need anymore

Now I have one clip of the interview with tracks of audio I chose to keep, searchable by PhraseFind.

Thanks for your offer to Skype. Very generous of you btw!

[Frederic Lumiere]

I’m a little confused Michael. Are you suggesting that I should subclip each clip and then join them all together?

[Frederic Lumiere]

1. It won’t let me AutoSync because I have more than 1 clip in the sequence. I have dozens of takes for the interview.

2. When I bring back the QT reference I exported of the sequence with dozens of clips, isn’t doing “Fast Import” even though the clips were DNxHD.

3. My only solution is Mixdown since it doesn’t re-transcode the clips but simply copies the data.

Filtering before I do the PhraseFind search works great for me. I only get results based on the phrase criteria + the filters. But then again, based on the Found & after filtering numbers at the bottom right of the window, it looks like it applied the search to the whole database anyway, even though I don’t see all the hits.