Franz Bieberkopf
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[Marcus Moore] “is that Adobe # Premier or total Creative Cloud subscribers? Source? I see 1.4 million from December.”
Marcus,
That figure was from fall 2012; it was widely reported. There is probably a better source but this is Bill Roberts from Adobe:
https://www.beet.tv/2012/09/adobepremiere.html[Marcus Moore] “Who knows what percentage of those people are working in video vs web vs print or illustration.”
Definitely. It’s “seats”, and “number of users” which I take to mean purchases of CS6 and CC (or maybe including earlier CS – but we know that total Adobe “users” is somewhere between 9-12 million).
Alternately, how many people purchases FCP X and never use it? or used it on one project and then never again? We don’t know.
These numbers don’t give the picture you’d want, but they help and they’re not guesses.
Franz.
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[Tim Wilson] “The one part I still stand by is that this is a ridiculously low number.”
Tim,
… the other implication that I’m thinking of is revenue.
FCP 1-7 sold for 1000.00 – 1500.00 (times 2 million) – over 2 Billion for Apple over 10 (?) years.
FCP X has generated 100 Million a year for 3 years for Apple.
Revenue isn’t the driver that it is for other software developers, but it probably has real implications in terms of resources for the developers of FCP X.
Franz.
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[Tim Wilson] “So what does THAT mean vs. what THIS means?”
So in summary, some real numbers start to create a picture:
– Adobe Premiere Pro, 2.5 million (Fall 2012)
– FCP 1-7, 2 million (NAB 2011)
– FCP X, 1 million (NAB 2014)Does anyone have additional (non-guessing) numbers for Avid, Lightworks, etc.?
Franz.
P.S. Tim, it’s worth it if I’ve amazed you.
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[Marcus Moore] “”Apple announced today that they had more than one million separate installations of Final Cut Pro X.”
Previously (2 months ago):
https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/65839#65887
[Franz Bieberkopf] “Yes, well the more you look at this, it’s all just guesses.”Previouslier (2 years ago):
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/36504
[Tim Wilson] “Apple isn’t in business to sell 2 million of anything over 12 years. That’s not a sustainable business in Apple-land. Frankly, I doubt that it’s as little as 10 million, but I doubt we’ll ever know for sure.”
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/36498
[Tim Wilson] “10 million FCPX downloads x $295 = nearly $3 billion dollars in the first year, around what they made in the first TWELVE years of Legacy. And I’m being conservative.”And also (also two years ago):
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/39688
[Craig Seeman] “A while ago (a few months I believe) it was reported that FCPX passed 2.5 million downloads. I can’t recall if it was from Apple or SCRI. I remember that number being quoted at the Blackmagic Roadshow in NYC a few months back.”And even (two-and-a-half years ago):
https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/19507#19507
[Craig Seeman] “That means FCPX must be under 600 thousand downloads.”Franz.
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[Gary Huff] “Because GPUs are being used in conjunction with CPUs now for processing video content.”
Gary,
My approach has always been that hardware upgrades should be geared to workflow, and workflow is often quite specific.
As an example, additional graphics cards aren’t going to benefit a FCP7 ProRes edit. It’s unclear what the particular demands on that particular system will be next. Still, I appreciate the suggestion and may come back to if and when appropriate.
Franz.
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[Gary Huff] “Frankly, a 2011 Mac Pro with dual 7870 Radeons running Mountain Lion/Mavericks would be the ideal upgrade for this kind of workflow …”
Gary,
Thanks for the suggestion. I’m wondering why you would recommend more graphics power.
I typically recommend “no upgrade” as the ideal.
Everything else has to justify itself in light of the workflow.
Considering that almost everything I’ve worked on the past decade has had it’s own unique workflow, any upgrades are an open question right now (and it wasn’t my system), but that set-up (above) worked just great for that workflow, and would do so again. I certainly wasn’t ever waiting for graphics power. (Also note that I can’t remember what MacPro it was exactly but it was purchased in spring 2012 if I recall correctly, and I think we used all the PCI slots; maybe one left empty).
Franz.
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I finished a long edit this past summer with 4k & 5k RED as the main format (there were many). Everything was transcoded to HD ProRes (via Red Rocket) for the edit (FCP7) and we delivered a Resolve project to the lab with original media for finish. Distribution was theatrical, DCP 2k.
(The people I worked with bought a 2011 MacPro and Red Rocket and that was the entire “upgrade”.)I also recently did a one minute spot for broadcast with 5k RED material. I worked in PPro with camera orig (monitoring HD) and delivered same to lab for finish. Distribution was HD.
(There were no “upgrade” costs as it worked on everything I had.)Franz.
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[Charlie Austin] “No matter how “smart” the tracks or patching is, it ain’t smarter than “put it wherever the hell you want”.”
Charlie,
It was a real relief when I switched to FCP in 2001 and could work without patching tracks. Having worked without patching tracks for well over 10 years, I do wonder why people hang onto that particular method of working.
But to each his or her own.
Sometimes it takes switching software to challenge old methods.
Franz.
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[Oliver Peters] “Remember, even though you are working with I-frame codecs, the video engine is not a frame-based architecture …”
Oliver,
How is the architecture best described then, if not frame-based?
Is AV Foundation any different in this respect? What about MXF, etc.
Franz.
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Oliver,
As a refugee from the Avid of yore (though hypocritically still using Pro Tools), it would take a lot more than a few interface changes to draw me back.
In terms of FCP X, the keywording and skimming aren’t enough to overcome shortcomings like the timeline, limited audio mixing, and platform lock-in. That said, there are things that FCP X does nicely that other NLEs can learn from.
In other words, I don’t think the features you’ve focused on solve any problems or address issues I have with NLEs. Native formats in FCP7 sounds more attractive as a hypothetical.
Franz.