[Eric Susch]

I see that Multibridge Studio is now available. Anyone using it? Any issues?

[Eric Susch]

[Bob Flood] “if i use x to mark my clip i get the error message “this edit cannot be done becasue a transition would be splt yahda yahda yahda..””

I don’t. When I use “X” it includes the entire dissolve and replaces the shot and dissolve with the new shot. (I’m not sure why you would want to do that when the original cut was at the head of the dissolve but that’s the way it works. I think FCP “forgets” where the original cut was after the dissolve is placed.)

I think you may be right about the re-boot thing you mentioned in a later post. Or maybe there’s another random element in the procedure. I wouldn’t worry about it too much unless the problem pops up again.

I do, however think that the zoom/display issue for one and two frame shots I mentioned above is something that should be looked at. 99.9% of the time a shot like that is a mistake by the editor and I’d like to have a big red flag pointing that out to me on the timeline before I print to tape with a crazy flash frame.

[Eric Susch]

[person] “many films are cut on NLE by many great film editors.”

But they’re not cutting film. You’re confusing the definition of film as a technology and the more vague definition of film as in movie. You don’t want to do that on your business card. You should be specific because if someone assumes you know how to cut film and you don’t it could become an awkward first impression situation.

If all you’re interested in is using the term “Film Editor” because you think it makes you sound more prestigious, then I don’t know what to say other than, it doesn’t. It only impresses people who don’t know what they are talking about. If you want to impress people show them your reel.

[Eric Susch]

Oh the humanity….

I just jumped into this thread from the Premiere Pro discussion over on the discrete edit forum. What a difference! I hope someday we can have a similar discussion about FCP over there. I’d be nice to have a spirited and honest discussion of FCP

[Eric Susch]

This is not a difficult question and I’m surprised that the answers are so vague. There shouldn’t be any confusion. A “Film Editor” cuts film. Someone who cuts a movie on an NLE, even if it was shot on film and ends up on film in a theatre, is not a Film Editor.

I wouldn’t put Film Editor on your business card unless it something that you do.

[Eric Susch]

I don’t have exact numbers but I’m sure Adobe Premiere has more users than either Avid or FCP…. maybe even both together. (Remember FCP must run on a Mac (at least right now 🙂 and Apple has only 3% of the computer market.)

And who the hell knows what freebie stolen-ware they are cutting on in China and India where all our jobs are going to be out-sourced to in a few years anyway 😉

[Eric Susch]

[Patrick Sheffield] “What about the fact that FCP works the exact same way as the Avid?”

Just because Avid does it doesn’t mean that’s the best way. That said, I think that the FCP interface needs to consider the wants of editors coming from Avid (as well as film and linear tape editors.) That’s why I think this out point thing probably needs to be some sort of option.

Regardless, I think the goal of the FCP interface should be simplicity and consistency. Having the cut always at the cursor I think does that. Isn’t the goal to forget about all the timecode numbers and what frame the cursor is on or not on and weather you need to bang one frame back or not and all that technical gobbly-gook? It is for me. I want to forget about all that nonsense and concentrate on the story.

[Patrick Sheffield] “Thus works the same way as the MAJORITY of NLEs?”

If you are referring to the actual number of editing systems in use I think you’ll find that Adobe Premiere has far more users than Avid.

[Eric Susch]

[Patrick Sheffield] “All NLEs I have ever used include the frame onscreen in the clip.”

What NLE systems are you referring to? The only one I know of that sets the out like FCP is Avid.

D/Vision PRO, Discreet Edit, Media 100, Lightworks, and Fast/Liquid, all consistently set both the in and out cut at the beginning of the frame.

Adobe, Vegas, Sony XPRI, EMC, Incite, Quantel, etc. etc. I’m not sure about, although I would hazard a guess that XPRI does not work like FCP because it’s interface was based on Fast.

[Eric Susch]

Bob,

I’m with ya 100% with the out point thing! It’s my #1 pet-peeve of all software in the entire world! If I ever meet Steve Jobs it’s going to be the first thing I complain about!

I’ve had this discussion several times here and elsewhere and other than the odd FCP zealot whose ego can’t tolerate even the discussion of potential change, most users see the value of what you (and I ) are describing and hate constantly banging back one frame to set an outpoint.

One of the problems with the issue is that it’s very difficult to describe in words, yet the resolution is quite simple. The best way I have come up with to describe it is that the CUT should always be placed where the CURSOR is. This avoids the circular discussion about which frame on which side of the cursor should show in the viewer and why you would or would not want that. It should also avoid getting into old “obsolete” tape editing (3 point editing anyone?) and/or film editing (which is irrelevant because the Moviola doesn’t determine where the grease pencil goes.)

The in or out CUT should always be placed where the CURSOR is. It

[Eric Susch]

[Kevin Monahan] “[Eric Susch] “It’s been a fast uphill climb for FCP to add all the features and be competitive with other professional systems.”

That’s why this behavior is exactly as in most other NLEs. FCP’s development is definitely influenced by Avid.”

I agree. I’m not sure about “most” because there’s an awful lot of NLEs out there but Avid editors certainly need to feel comfortable with FCP since Avid is the professional market leader. I don’t think that the Avid interface is the end all to NLE design though. There are a lot of things in FCP that work different than Avid and I think they work better. (Well, hopefully they work better.)

[Kevin Monahan] “I wouldn’t mind the CMD OPT Click on the edit point operation though.”

I wouldn’t either but I would hope it wouldn’t include a mouse operation. If it was a simple keystroke that put the out-cut right on the cursor then you could change it to whatever key you wanted.