Dominic Deacon
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Just to bring it back from the theoretical to the practical for a moment, shouldn’t you be offering the client the best possible product you can given time/budget etc? If, as a pro, the best you can offer is an iphone (not even a Google Pixel for the best image on a cmaera phone) are you trying hard enough?
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I don’t want to be that guy but you’re not suggesting that those shots pass as being from a professional DSLR are you? The one with the girl with the pink hair doesn’t appear to be in focus anywhere. The one with the guy has some small areas of focus but the fall off is unpleasant to look at. The earlier photos you showed look like real nice camera phone shots (sidebar: why are we limiting this to iphones when they are not even best in class?) but in no way do they look like they were taken with a professional dslr. There’s nothing wrong with that look but everyone with a camera phone knows they can take the same shot. They won’t have the same confidence they can replicate the shot when they see a beautiful DSLR image.
Sure, an incredibly skilled pro, in exactly the right conditions, can pull off something that looks pro with a camera phone but surely it’s just easier to get a professional camera that will hit the look you’re after with a lot less skill and a lot less effort?
This is a strange argument. Ultimately if you can get away with using a phone, great! But I’m finding it hard to get my head around the idea that we’re arguing that camera phones hold up to pro gear. It’s hard to even justify their use as a “democratisation of the medium” thing when you can get amazing Black Magic gear for basically nothing these days.
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[Neil Sadwelkar] “I added the exact same other components as mentioned RAM, 2x GPUs. And I added a 5k display, 2x 1 TB m.2 SSD, Case, keyboard and mouse, Win10 Pro USB.
The total adds up to $ 8,300. Did I miss anything? Add it to the price, then.He no doubt already had a good monitor, etc. Not having to buy a new monitor every time you buy a computer is one of the major benefits of not being on the imac train.
[Neil Sadwelkar] This, for a machine that may be superior to the iMac Pro, but at a not significantly lower price.
Lets go with massively superior than an imac priced similarly at $5.5k. I was bored the other day and got to putting together an imac with all the best parts on the apple website. it came to $20k AUD. And it was still inferior to David’s machine. Not being able to install a pair of 1080tis is a deal breaker.
[Neil Sadwelkar] And I haven’t even accounted for the labour in putting this thing together. Which if we value our time as editors at $500 per day, and take, say, 4 days to set this system up fully, the price of this wonderfully powerful Windows computer is $ 10,300.
Four days?! A pro would do it well under an hour. I’d do it in about 2-3 hours to make sure I did everything perfect. Lets face it, when getting a new machine it isn’t putting it together that’s the hassle. It’s reinstalling all the softwsare and setting up your preferences, shortcuts, plug ins etc. That can take days but it’s not going to be any less painful on a mac.
[Neil Sadwelkar] For all the trouble (and expense) of building your own PC, the speed increase you’ll see will likely be in the import and render process, both of which are processor and GPU dependent. I can’t think of any activity where this PC will finish in 6 hours and the iMacPro will take 2 days.
For video editing for sure. I doubt that’s all David’s machine would be doing. If you, for example, start messing round in 3d for your videos/images then the faster machine will very quickly begin to pay it’s way. I just exported a single frame from 3ds and it took my system 26 hours to complete the job during which time the entire computer was out of action. David’s would probably get the job done in about 5 hours. That kind of power is not something most need- but if you do you’d be silly to be buying a more expensive computer with less power.
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[Charlie Austin] “Honestly, It’s even more insane that anyone rents Photoshop, though I guess you can open PSD’s in pretty much anything these days…”
I’m curious as to your thinking. As a full time photographer I’d consider it insane not to rent Photoshop. 10 bucks a month for the greatest imaging software known to man and the industry standard. It’s a bargain in anyones language and I’m not sure what the drawback is?
I can’t envision a situation where in ten years time I have to open an ancient PSD (why I would want to do that to start with…) and not be able to open it with something. And if such a situation came up, well so what? Work done in a PSD can be redone in a short space of time. Not like a Premiere project. In the case of Premiere I can kind of, sort of, see the argument against rental.
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Well Adobe is going to have to do something about optimizing their software for new hardware. When you can get a 16 threadripper for under a grand it’s very frustrating that Photoshop and other programs in Adobes stable can only really make good use of four cores. The jump in hardware that AMD has precipitated has seemed to really catch Adobe with their pants down.
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[Joe Marler] ” I personally have never used any NLE which never crashed. I’ve had FCPX crash a lot, although it seems to crash *less* than Premiere.”
I have. I’m a bit out of the loop with where the software is at these days but I edited a couple feature films a few corporate videos on Edius over a few years back and from memory I don’t think it crashed once.
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Affinity photo would be the one that’s closest to Photoshop and making the most noise ath the moment. You’d have to prise photoshop out of my cold, dead fingers personally but if you can’t handle the payment method I think you’ll find Affinity covers all but your most extreme photoshop needs.
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Windows takes about 10 to 15 minutes in my experience. If you don’t believe me jump on youtube. There’s videos taking you through the process of building a pc in real time. These videos don’t run for two hours.
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On the Mac side maybe. There seems to be a belief that this is a difficult thing to do. Honestly it’s less than an hours work. You’re just plugging stuff in much as you do at the back of your computer when you”re plugging your peripherals in. Maybe you do have to do a little research. The first time I did it I spent way to much time researching, maybe half a dozen hours, but the knowledge gained will last me a life time, save me at least a grand every time I buy a machine and means every computer I use is specifically tailored to the task it needs to perform rather than the solid all rounder that Apple provides.
That last part is more than invaluable. I’m actually about to build a PC for 3ds. It will be a completely different machine to the one I’m writing on right now which was built for photoshop because the requirements of those programs don’t overlap much. Apple might try but there’s no way to build a machine for every one that’s going to be efficient at every task. With an expensive Mac you’re always going to be either paying for stuff for stuff you don’t need or missing out on stuff that you do.
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[Oliver Peters] “Let’s say it takes you only 2 days (conservative) to build the unit and make sure all the drivers are right, make a few calls to various support numbers, etc”
2 days? I’ve only done it a couple times but I’d say half hour to forty five minutes. Tom talks about needing “pretty specific knowledge”. Not really. I mean you have to know your CPU will plug into your motherboard and that the PSU is powerful enough (just ask the guy at the shop) but after that I can’t think of any specific knowledge… The pieces just plug into each and generally it’s not possible to plug anything into the wrong slot. Just look for what fits where, plug it in. Done. Not sure how it can take more than an hour.