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[Marcus Moore] “How are you manipulating more than one primary clip at a time? Or are you just looking for a “tilde-lock” option?”
What I’m looking for is a tilde option that would be global to all connected clips, not just the one’s attached to the selected primary. Like Charlie mentioned, this is important with music for example, where you may have a mix spread out along the timeline that always needs to stay in sync relative to itself, not the primary. Mixing in a secondary, spiked to frame one seems like a hack to me.
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[Charlie Austin] “I beleive that X supports “parallel, independent media streams such as multi-channel audio in a DAW”. You just can’t run them through a “mixer” yet.”
Not without a bunch of hackery 😉
[Charlie Austin] “Admit it, you just don’t like the timeline. ;-)”
OK, I admit it! 😉
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[Steve Connor] “Not one that functions in the same way as FCPX does at the moment, I use Logic Pro a lot and I’m assuming the new one won’t be following the same model.”
Yes and from the hints so far, it looks like it’s still a regular, tracked timeline model. I think there’s a reason for this. I think this reason is why some editors like myself don’t feel comfortable with the magnetic timeline.
[Steve Connor] “I still think Apple may come up with something to tempt Editors who much prefer to work the way you do, I would imagine the previously discussed “fixed lanes” idea would be the most obvious. I don’t think it would be impossible to implement this, despite your concerns about core data.”
Agreed. I think the “fixed lanes” idea is interesting. But I would go further and allow multiple primaries in a “fixed time” window. If they did that, they could keep everything else the same and it would work for me as well as for you.
[Steve Connor] “The fact you can almost set the “fixed lanes” now as well as the addition of the tilde key modifier which breaks the parent child link, albeit temporarily, means it is possible in theory.”
Yes, but doesn’t the tilde key modifier only affect the connected clips attached to the primary clip you’re manipulating? Is there a way to make all connected clips stay put if you want? Something like Shift-tilde? That would make a big difference for me.
[Steve Connor] “Whether Apple wants to do it is a whole other question”
Indeed.
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[Steve Connor] “It’s an interesting theory, but as it stands, in terms of real projects, what does the lack of “absolute” time stop you doing in FCPX?”
Using FCPX like a track-based DAW for editing. You can do it, but it’s a PITA and it forces you to work against the timeline design. I would not want a DAW with a magnetic timeline. Would you?
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[Charlie Austin] “I’m interested in how you make the connection from “Core Data syncing is potentially unscalable and ultimately unfixable” … to the magnetic timeline?”
The connection is here:
“Some issues with iCloud Core Data are theoretically unsolvable (stemming from the fact that you’ve put an object model on top of a distributed data store) and others are just plain bugs in the implementation…”
“Because of this there is a lot of fragility to the implementation, and I’m not sure it will ever scale well to larger data sets…”
It’s not about Core Data syncing, the problem may be a fundamentally broken design. If true, this is a very big deal. They’ll have to start from scratch.
I believe the same is true with the magnetic timeline’s hierarchical, single primary, parent/child, relative time model. I don’t think it will scale. Without absolute, external time, I don’t see how it can ever really support parallel, independent media streams such as multi-channel audio in a DAW. I don’t think roles will ever be enough. I believe the absolute, external time frame of reference is essential.
Like “an object model on top of a distributed data store”, the magnetic timeline may turn out to be wrong model for a truly universal time-based editing system.
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[Charlie Austin] “In any case Core Data (not synching) has been around for quite some time and is a solid, well regarded framework. You’re grasping at straws.”
Actually there’s a bigger point in the article that I think some of you are missing
“Many veteran developers have learned their lesson and given up on iCloud’s Core Data syncing entirely. “Ultimately, when we looked at iCloud + Core Data for [our app], it was a total no-go as nothing would have worked,” said one best-selling iPhone and Mac developer. “Some issues with iCloud Core Data are theoretically unsolvable (stemming from the fact that you’ve put an object model on top of a distributed data store) and others are just plain bugs in the implementation,”
So can these issues ever be solved? “[Apple’s] approach to the problem was very novel and interesting, and perhaps they will ship a version of it that works – but it functions very differently than typical sync solutions in that there is not a central server hub that maintains the ‘truth in the cloud,’” Pierce told me. “Because of this there is a lot of fragility to the implementation, and I’m not sure it will ever scale well to larger data sets,”
What these developers are saying is that Core Data syncing is potentially unscalable and ultimately unfixable because the model itself is broken.I would argue that this may also be true for the FCPX magnetic timeline in its current form.
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Yikes! Sounds like a complete clusterf&$k.
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[Craig Seeman] “Yes instead of buying the company or intellectual property, they just hire the brains.
I know the CTO isn’t hiring the development teams but it is interesting.”Gruber’s take on the brains they just hired is worth noting:
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2013/03/19/lynch-bozo
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2013/03/19/exhibit-b
Way wrong about Flash, but maybe he was just batting for the home team.
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[Chris Harlan] “Me three.”
Me four. Here’s why I’ll never rent software:
https://www.larryjordan.biz/app_bin/wordpress/archives/2015
Larry fully admits to his mistakes but even so, he should not have been exposed to this kind of risk.
What Steve Jobs said about music is doubly true for mission critical applications my business depends on. I want to own them.
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[Craig Seeman] “The option of short turnaround updates wasn’t viable until the end of physical discs, the marketing and the mechanics around that.”
The end of physical discs does nothing to change marketing and accounting priorities.
[Craig Seeman] “The fact is Apple IS doing it, providing new features within the current framework, faster than other NLEs.”
All of those “new features” were likely in development from the very beginning and simply held back from release because they wen’t ready. For example, the multicam demo is the exact same Audi spot from the initial release before the multicam feature was introduced. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
Also, keep in mind that the app store doesn’t have a currently mechanism for charging for updates. Apple may need to hold back major updates beyond patches just to be able to get paid more than once.
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