Davd Keator
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Well, 2k for an editing machin would be cool… My fastest Sandy Bridge: I7 2600K overclocked to 4.2ghz actually beats my 980x overclocked to 3.75ghz. My 980x doens’t want to go faster 🙁
Anyhow, I have done extensive testing on latency, lag time of componants etc.. A standard 7200rpm good quality HD is more than adequat for edting. Unless you are going uncompressed or some sort of DV bit… My computers only chunk away at 7-15 megs a second at rendering… That means my cheezy HD can read 7 streams of Cineform or 20 streams of AVCHD footage with effects before I max out this one single drive.
SSD’s are really nice for an OS drive to boot from – super speedy.
Thats it…
In the mean time check out my web site: https://www.VertexMedia.com
Thanks,
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My question would be:
When you render the video with out your effect in the audio line, does the audio sync properly? I have noticed that if the bit rate is too high, some PC’s are unable to handle the video codec and a lag sync issue occurs.
Just my 2 cents…
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Yea, g with 450 if it works well leave it, if not use it for the 3rd and fourth monitor. The 1155 chipset has it’s issues with the sata brifge, oh well… Not to mention such limitation on the pci-e slots.. but, unless you are working with red-rockets, high power raid arrays, who needs the extra slots anyhow, a 450 on a 2x or 4x slot works just great for driving monitors and desktop publishing.
Then just get your Quadro afterwords when more money is available.FCP is nice, Apple was smart for giving computers away to schools all those years ago. Got 10% of the market hooked on their computers. The proress codec has many limitations and is even getting dropped from the codec format of choice.. They are developing a wavelet codec like Cineform. Hopefully they will get their acts together, openg / cuda and better third party support, or they will continue to see the loosing battle of the editing world.
Well we can see them giving up already anyhow with their focus on the mobile devices and not so much in the pc realm.
Once you go PC you will get a taste of freedom, it’s tough being an indentured servent. PC be free my man…
Later….
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That I could not say: My concerns were with Premiere Pro CS5. The card is perfectly fine with After Effects. I have used Maya very few times. My team said they can nnot tell the difference from the Geforce and the Radeon. I do not have any high end Work Station cards. The Q600 is only good for a high quality 10bit output in my opinion. It works but not as fast as my CPU for editiing.
My best guess would be get a gts 450 – $95. See if your Autodesk software rocks. They recomend Firepro or Quadro: that means it is not Cuda specific just OpenGL. Therefore any good card will work for you.
After effects too is Open GL.
I would drop avid for editing and switch to PPro CS5 way faster, more support for newer hardware and codecs from the cams…
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Don’t know that crazy acoustic issue… I have one station that is all analog for delivery even though I send them DVD… They just need my audio set to -20dbf… That old analog stuff really amplifies the audio! I bet you are just peaking the crap outa their system…perhaps they have set too hot….Everyone one else can take -12 up to -3 with no issues.
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My fcp intern picked up cs5 in 2 hrs! If you like just remap the cs5 keys to mirror fcp commands… And for the most part it is very very similar.
Highly worth the upgrade!
I7 2600k
16 gigs 1333 ram
2 hdd’s 1tb or larger
Gts 450 or gtx 460 more is overkill!
650watt power supply.
Antec 300 case
Cheap 24x DVD burner
2x 25 inch monitors
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About $1300.00. Rockin PC that beats my 980x with 12gigs by a few seconds rendering!I know the 1155 chipset was recalled and yes it is an issue…but not a big deal, just find someone still selling them, I found a Texas company in amazon selling them still, I got two more for my editors!
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Dan: definitely time for an upgrade:
1: use hack and get GeForce 450, more than 460 is overkill unless you want 10bit color support, then qudro 2000 / 4000 max!
2: i7 2600k with 16 gigs: this actually is a hair faster than my 980x CPU!Cs5 was written with intel in mind, that is until Buldozer falls off the bandwagon! Why does AMD insist on being behind the door when it closes! O_o
3: dual xeon 6580’s with 48 gigs, 34% faster than that 1155 chipset but way way way out there on expense!!!
Hope that helps guide your upgrade path…
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I for got to specify: no degradation from multiple monitors that is as long as only one of the cards is used for MPE. I tried to use two cards it just crashes…either just have one of the cards in the cuda list or manually take one off in the 3d performance usage when applying the cs5 card hack.
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I’ve done some testing…
Quadro vs GeForce: no difference between the two in speed. As in comparable gpu’s:
600 = gt430
2000 = gts 450Quadro gives you 10 bit out to those nice 1.07billion color monitors… GeForce limited to 16.7 million colors… No big deal unless you are grading for film…for Tv and web, my clients can’t tell the difference O_o
I have a 980x with 12gigs & the newer i7 2600k with 8 gigs. The 2600k is over clocked to 4.2ghz, the 980x is at 3.9ghz… I’ve tested the different cards in each…
Gt 430 & 600 too slow for MPE: CPU waits for GPU!No difference for 450 to 570 GeForce. Just a lighter wallet as you go up in numbers…
Bare in mind though: this testing has been compared only with the PPBM5…. 4 layers max! This load on GPU and CPU may be too small! I have not tested on a 10 to 20 layer project. We just may see a need for the 480/580 cards…but I highly doubt it…
I have chosen to stick with the 460’s for the MPE: I just use any old card for the other monitor.
G460 pushes preview & main…Ion pushes browser/file manager etc…Interestingly the 2600k and 980x are the same speed in cs5 encoding in the tests!!! That 1155 chipset rocks! $1200 computer is the same as my $3500 system… Perhaps that’s the real reason for the recall! Lol…
Just get the 450 or the 460… Nothing more nothing less for PPro CS5…
After effects likes open gl…ati destroys nvidia at open gl. Oh well…. At least the GeForce’s are decent…But you will see massive improvements with ram! I wish my computers had 192 gigs!! But 12 is nice, 24 is my next up grade… I will test the diff then…
Good luck
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We seem to have veered off subject…
Yes I do get nearly 100% cpu utilization once I turn off HYPERCHEEZ, and a slight performance boost once I do.
This forum thread was reference to the Advertising HYPE of CUDA and nothing more…Then I went on to explore possible bottle necks and only found the programming of Sony Vegas to be the bottle neck. Like Codec of choice or single threaded effects, which seem to be few and far between for the most part.
From oerformance testing, I don’t think Vegas 10 has been updated enough since AMD and INTEL yield the same results for rendering. Perhaps when they incorporate the K6-3D Now instruction set…LOL Just kidding…
As a case in point, CS5 has been out for a few months already compaired to the Sandy Bridge, yet, I repeat, YET – it has support for the AVX instruction set, this new i7-2600k is just as fastas my 980x.
Many of my comments from the begining were editorials from several forum questions….
Anyway…
I find it shocking that 2 DNxHD clips bottle necked an HD. Most of my expereince is from native codec – 6MB/s tops to Cineform at 25MB’s
Again from the Processing LAG on the CPU, like you note Neat Video’s degrain, any sort of filter for that matter if it’s: multithreaded/muliticore/hypercorn supported, etc.. will always slow down the CPU, way below any bottleneck in the system…
I take that back, I have seen one time, to where it was a siple cut, slice and dice NTSC DV, that maxed out my HD’s at 650MB’s for read and write with minimal CPU utilization. That was Hyper REAL time, 1HR done in less than a minute.
Anyway, thanks for the lively debate, I love talking tech.