Chris Harlan
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[Andrew Richards] “Final Cut Server X or GTFO!”
Ahh, Andy. I miss thee.
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[David Eaks] “A couple days ago the Terence and Philip show did a short episode about Adobe CC, if anyone is interested-
https://www.theterenceandphilipshow.com
“However much I learn, I am always vaguely disappointed that the link doesn’t take me to the gaseous Canadian cartoon Comedians.
Good discussion, though.
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[Stew Fyfe] “- Linked selection (though you can’t toggle it globally, which is a pain – I just leave it on and hold Option when I need to toggle it off)”
Yeah! I’d like to see that changed in Pr, as well.
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[tony west] “Chris, doesn’t it depend on the situation?”
Yes, of course it does. I think that’s actually what I’m arguing. There are a whole variety of services available beyond the few that Apple has made deals with to include in X. And that what Apple has done is nothing more than create an exclusive link to those few companies. If you use them, great! But if you don’t use them, and use something else, it ain’t a particularly significant difference. And if you use some other NLE and want to use the services that Apple has links to, its only a couple of extra steps to use those services.
[tony west] “I save time not waiting for the file to export and I like that.”
But, that’s an illusion. A unique file HAS to be rendered. That step may be invisible to you, but it is still happening. Extremely tight integration could allow for some sort of sequential render that could upload the file while it was compiling, but given the disorganized nature of TCP/IP networks, I’m a little uncertain that that would be of much value.
What you are gaining, I believe, is that you are exporting a file, and that file is being automatically sent when it is finished. And, it IS certainly something that you don’t have to be between the output and the send to drag and drop. So THAT is the time you are not wasting. Of course, you can use automation to set something like that up yourself, if you like.
[tony west] “Many corporate clients are not that tech savvy. They love that one click link on their end. They can see what I’m cutting on the golf course while they are waiting for the group ahead of them to putt out.”
Yes. That’s terrific. And, you can do that with a zillion other services beyond those that Apple has made deals with.
I have no problem at all with Apple making the deals, or with people using the provided shares. It’s a nice convenience. I do have a problem when people make claims that the sponsored batch files that are built into X represent a mind-bending culture shift and a competitor-shattering new age in editorial.
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[alban egger] ” It does not try to make compromises to keep 15 year old workflows alive.”
Yes, unfortunately it doesn’t have some of the tools required in some modern workflows, either.
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[Bill Davis] “You keep dissing the program,”
Not true. You keep saying that. Over and over. But that doesn’t make it so. Calling Avid something like “Avoid” is dissing a program. I’ve shown lots of respect for X. It simply doesn’t suit my current needs, which you see as dissing.
[Bill Davis] “but continue to appear to miss-understand what you’re dissing.”
It’s an f’ing link, right? Is it more? Am I somehow misunderstanding it? What magic am I missing?
[Bill Davis] “I’m not saying the Share part of X is the holy grail.”
Well you kind of do. Several times in this very response, as it happens.
[Bill Davis] “And to argue that it just as difficult to do FTP transfers in X as in anything else, is just weird. “
Why? The vast majority of my deliveries are some sort of ftp transfer, even if they are in the guise of a drop box or a simple link. I haven’t looked at it specifically, but my guess is that Vimeo is gussied up and disguised FTP transfer. Most things like it are. You are aware, aren’t you, that FTP stands for File Transfer Protocol and is part of the basic structure of the Internet. Most upload or download utilities over a TCP/IP network are based on or derivative of FTP.
[Bill Davis] “Honestly, if I NEVER have to launch Filezilla or Fetch ever again, I will consider my life to be infinitely improved.
FTP was lovely technology – in the mid-1990s. It’s well past time to move on.
“That is such a joke. Tell that to almost any IT department and they will laugh you out of the building.
[Bill Davis] “I know there are people who still have to do FTP. Just like there are still people who have to take hours to burn their videos onto plastic discs. But the moment they find they don’t have to do that any longer, they should emit a huge sigh of relief, understanding how lame that process was compared to the orders of magnitude easier video distribution systems that have already been in common use today.”
Man, you live on a very tiny island. So clicking a link is “orders of magnitude easier” than dropping and dragging a file? Unreal.
[Bill Davis] “I still own a box of LPs – and a box or two of VHS tapes – and a shelf of CDs – and its nice and nostalgic to see them and remember the past.”
ROTFL Yes, the difference between dragging that file to a drop box instead of clicking on a link is SO much like the difference between analog record technology and digital downloads that I am shocked–shocked, I tell you–that I didn’t notice it before.
Incidentally, if you are looking for an example as to how you actually do treat the share part of X as the Holly Grail, look no further.
[Bill Davis] “But today X lets me get a great looking file from my desktop to my client’s computers and pads and smart phones in 1/100th the time.”
What?!!! Okay, you like Vimeo’s distribution service. Let’s say I do too. So, I use it externally from MC or Pr. By externally, I mean open at the very same time as my NLE, and on the same computer. How, exactly, is clicking on the Vimeo link 100 times faster?
[Bill Davis] “Feels a lot like progress to me.”
Feels like BS to me.
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[Bill Davis] “Because that’s what X does. “
So what? I mean really. Its got a link built in. So what? It just blows my mind the way you harp on this tiny, extremely limited convenience. IF you use Vimeo, its about one or two clicks less. If you use something that’s not supported, like your client’s ftp site, its worthless. I don’t get it.
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[Michelle Blioux] “The refreshing lack of snarkyness is nice in contrast to other responses.”
Sorry. I was probably being the most sarcastic. I can’t speak for Shane, and what he was thinking, but I can explain my reaction. Or at least try. My response does feel a bit Jack-assy.
Here’s the thing: somebody worked hard on that video. They spent a lot of time manipulating images to create something unique. Instead of paying a modicum of tribute to their artistic efforts, your question–purposely or not–dismissed their efforts while making it clear that your intention is to do what they had done. On top of being blithe about wanting to copy their work, you couldn’t even properly identify the process they used to do it. Now, picking things up from other people is fine; all artists do it. But you were very wide of the mark. It was like you walked into a doctor’s office where somebody had been treated with antibiotics and demanded to know what surgery this was.
A lot of us here take our work quite seriously. And, there’s a lot of help to be had, here. People openly give their experience freely, especially to people who seriously embrace these visual crafts. Shane is an exemplary editor, and you may perceive what he was saying as snark, but it wasn’t. He was telling you some very basic facts about how far off the mark your question was. I, on the other hand, was being snarky. For that, I apologize.
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[Shane Ross] “That isn’t editing…”
Well, wait. Wait. There were some cuts. And a dissolve.
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[Oliver Peters] “Of the companies that are making changes, including broadcast (creative services depts), prod/post companies and corporate environments, it’s almost all Adobe. “
I’m seeing this too. CC is very attractive to a company of a certain size, especially when they have creative needs beyond video and often have to expand or contract the workforce based on seasonal deployment.