Chris Harlan
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Aindreas, this looks very much like one of my projects down to a combination of bins and sequences used as bins. I agree with you that this a far better workflow. To me, FCP X offers visually something that is akin to Avid’s Super Bin without the ability to turn it off and organize multiple bins.
Sometimes it is very useful to have only one bin open, which is an experience that FCP X can replicate. Sometimes it is useful to get the view you have above, which is something that FCP X–in its current form–cannot do.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “[Chris Harlan] “I CAN make do in a bin-less world, but sometimes its nice just to have a little table to throw things on”
I got ya. And here’s the question that I get in trouble for. How does FCPX prevent this idea? Why can’t you do this in X?
“It just comes down to visibility, really. Andrew’s suggestion of multiple instances of the Event Browser would probably solve all my qualms. I mean, the super bin on Avid is a terrific feature, but there are many times I want multiple bins open because it gives me a better view of the possibilities. Certainly, it is a convenience and not a necessity; I could adapt, but I don’t want to have to.
In general, I can only see FCP X as potentially one of my tools–instead of my primary tool–unless it adapts a less rigid, multi-monitor interface. It is a bit sad that FCP went from what was arguably the most flexible UI to one of the least flexible in a single, albeit drastic, iteration.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “n FCPX the browser exposes one keyword collection at a time – I’m really not being argumentative – I find that a reasonably significant limitation in the software”
I agree.
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Jeremy, I think the thing about bins is that they are better at holding obscure or ephemeral relationships based on whim. I’m in no way arguing against a strong indexing system, and the majority of my bins fall neatly into categories that indexing easily represents. But it is nice to have a few odd boxes that are a jumble of relationships–possibly very temporarily–where I don’t even necessarily see the connection between items, but just feel them. I know I can create a tag for “odd things” or “elbow joints” so I CAN make do in a bin-less world, but sometimes its nice just to have a little table to throw things on.
What I miss more, actually, is multiple open timelines, since I tend to use timelines as bins.
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[Gerald Baria] “Keyword collection are NOT like bins. IT IS LEAPS AND BOUNDS MORE ADVANCED AND USABLE THAN BINS!
“Gerald, I’ve seen some of your work, and from what I have seen, YOU don’t have any significant use for bins, so I think it is just possible that you don’t have a full understanding of what others might need. No one is saying that the ‘keyword collection’ is in anyway a bad thing–I think everyone pretty much agrees that the more advanced the indexing the better–but bins were able to do slightly more in terms of holding things that have obscure or ephemeral relationships with one another. While such relationships might not crop up often for you, I assure they do for others.
Andrew’s suggested solution of “multiple instances of the Event Browse” might be Aindreas’ answer; it would probably come close to solving the issues for me. But to say that there is no issue at all is to simply be unaware of it.
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[shawn Bockoven] “FCPX has been working very well here at our TV station. And yes, we are making money with it. Thought I would start a personal project using FCP7 the other day … after about 1/2 an hour, I moved the media over to my other partition and stated over in FCPX. It was a breath of fresh air.”
Well, good for you. I can see FCP X being useful in a PEG environment. Are you a full PEG station there at METV? Or exclusively educational? I’m guessing METV stands for Merced Educational TV. Also, how are you making money with FCP X? It looks like your station is subsidized. Do you rent your edit bays out or something? Or do you do local commercial work?
Having worked in a PEG station myself once upon a time, I can say without any doubt that FCP X is a valid–and potentially very useful–choice for that environment. I’d love to hear more about how you are working it in, and how some of the local high-schoolers/college students are making use of it.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “Strictly speaking, I think the only intent that can be assumed is that an editor will wish to put sound and image together in time. All else beyond that starts to get … a bit messed up.
“Yup.
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Great conversation, you guys. I’m just trying to catch up now.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “It has been my long sad lament that editing software is primarily viewed as a visual realm (by both designers and users). (Already in this thread it’s been shunted in that direction.)
“It’s funny, Franz. It really depends, I think, on whether you come from television or film. Television gets used quite a bit differently, and amongst many television producers, writers, and editors I believe there is a general recognition that audio is often the stronger component.
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[David Lawrence] “Think about the branding for Avid’s flagship NLEs… They’re named that way for a reason 🙂
“LOL. True.