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[Jeremy Garchow] “So, why is this ‘bad’ instead of simply a different way to look at it?”

Yeah! 🙂 In all seriousness, i think Davids gripes are mostly related to audio, and while I clearly don’t agree with the criticism of “tracklessness”, I do think Roles could be much better utilized for both organization and audio signal processing. I think Apple is aware of this, they just haven’t ripped into the timeline yet. I’m sure they will at some point…

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[Bill Davis] “NBC Universal Hollywood and NYC Looking for Experienced X editors.”

Seems to be a few positions involved, so we now have full employment for all LA/NYC based “Professional” FCP X editors! 😉

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[Michael Gissing] “I just think it would be smart to allow an editor to change the display in X to show clips arranged by sub roles and roles to then allow automated audio processing on each, just like a track, bus and mix display on a DAW.
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I really think this is a subject that is on Apple’s radar. I also think (hope) they’re more concerned with getting the core app to be bulletproof performance-wise before they tear into the timeline.

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[TImothy Auld] “This is completely marketing eyewash. No other way to characterize it.”

I’d characterize it as someone’s subjective feeling about how they perceive their performance working in one NLE vs. another. Why do people (not specifically you Timothy…) get so worked up when they hear stuff like this?

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[Neil Goodman] “No one ever says specifically what made it faster ?

Was it all the front end prep, was it the the actual timeline? What specifically? “

For me, it’s never having to leave the “creative” mindset and think about anything technical, patching, collisions, am i selecting the right group of clips etc. Hard to explain but it really is different.

[Neil Goodman] “but in my experience you do way more mousing and clicking in FCPX than any other NLE. “

MC probably gives you more KB control, especially if you’re good at it, but I click way less in X than I do in 7 or Pr. Honestly, using the skimmer negates the need to ever hold down the mouse button to scroll, scrub, repo the playhead in the timeline etc. it’s a huge time/click saver.

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[Jeff Markgraf] “Someone (Charlie?) has suggested/toyed with the idea of creating specific vertical areas to corral certain kinds of clips, using dummy tracks as barriers. That might be a nice option for Apple to figure out. But hardly a deal-breaker. “

I’ll sometimes do this to put a “ceiling” above music i’m cutting. I really don’t do that too much anymore though. The timeline behavior is just second nature now, I don’t really notice it…

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[Michael Gissing] “Fairlight is utterly track based but it solved the overwrite problem by allowing clips to stack non destructively on a track. You always hear the top which means you can do crossfades to layers or hide alternates in place on the right track.”

Logic X does the same. Also has “track stacks” which are kinda like FCP X compound clips but can be opened up in the timeline and work as summing stacks (re-routable) or Folders (a basic group) Pretty cool…

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[David Lawrence] “You mean like filling the primary with a big long gap and then doing all your edits with connected clips? ;)”

Nope. 🙂 I guess I just don’t have any problem keeping things to time, picture, music edits, whatever. It’s not an issue. When you’re doing the multi stream stuff, what is it that drives the timing? Sequence timecode? Music? One of the streams? I understand your complaint, but it seems to me to be totally do-able without any weird workarounds…

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[Michael Gissing] “Just for the record, Fairlight can edit video. Only one track but you can layer and dissolve or fade. It will even output the edit as an AAF or EDL amongst other formats.”

Exactly.., but what it is, is a DAW/Mixing Desk, and that’s what it does amazingly well. I don’t see them adding a whole lot of video editing functionality though. Being able to do basic video cuts in a DAW was something much loved about Avid AudioVision, before they bought Digidesign and killed it for what was perceived at the time to be an inferior product, ProTools. 🙂

[Michael Gissing] “I get that X isn’t a DAW but it does need improvements for audio mixing and also making better sense of Roles outputs via xml to AAF or whatever as the destination for audio in a collaborative workflow is a track based DAW.”

I agree that it needs improvements. FWIW, X2Pro works ridiculously well with Roles. In my experience, mixers love the sessions it spits out. Tracks all organized and named with the push of a button. Apple should just buy it and build it in, but Marquis makes updates faster. 😉

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[Andrew Kimery] ” Yes, products need to improve but at some point the devs have to draw a line in the sand and not try to bolt on features that won’t work well given the underlying philosophy/foundation of their software (even if the some users are asking for them)”

I think you’re absolutely correct. I’ll go out on a short limb and say that X will never have “tracks” as we’re discussing them here. I’d be surprised if some sort of Role based mix/bus/organization functions don’t appear, but X isn’t gonna become a DAW anymore than Fairlight is gonna become an NLE. It’s not in the DNA of the app.

And the whole “no tracks no temporal anchor” argument is sort of fallacious. I get it, but the timecode at the top of the project window is the temporal reference, just like any other NLE/DAW on the planet. And you don’t need “workarounds” to keep stuff locked to specific time, you just use the app the way it works.

There’s a lot of things in X that need improvement, but I don’t think complicating it needlessly with different modes or whatever is one of them.

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