Bob Zelin
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to translate David’s post –
this Win 10 system is the equivalent of what many of us “hope” the Mac Pro will be. And when the
GTX-1080ti cards become obsolete in a few years, David can simply pull them out and replace them with
whatever comes along. Same with a 10G (or 40G) card. And same with any I/O card from AJA or Blackmagic.
David’s system will run Adobe CC, Media Composer and Davinci Resolve (and Cinema 4D and others faster than an iMac Pro (unless you possibly have a Sonnet or Akitio eGPU box and another Vega 64 card).And of course, the most important thing here – is that David’s system did not cost $6400 (I could be wrong – I don’t know David, but I bet he did not spend anywhere near 6 grand for this system).
Of course – no FCP X.
Bob Zelin
Bob Zelin
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your Synology better have at least 8 drives in it. You Synology MUST have a 10G card or you are just wasting your time. Doing an LACP on the four 1G ports to the switch will not do the job you need for this application.
Your switch should be an all 10G switch, from the Netgear XS series. You don’t need Cat 6A cabling unless you are running further than 55 meters.With the setup I just described (10G port in the Synology, 10G switch, dedicated line to each computer) – with a 1G connection from the client, you will get 100 MB/sec READ and WRITE. With a thunderbolt to 10G adaptor or 10G PCIe card, you will increase this bandwidth to over 600 MB/sec per client.
Without a 10G card in the Synology, and 10G switch (there are cheap ones out there now for as low as $599) – you are just wasting your time.
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I got asked this by a major corporation in Orlando recently. I was astounded that they did not acknowledge that a USB flash drive, or simple internet connection to watch a training video on line, was a suitable answer. This sounds like a joke, but they “gave in” that VHS distribution was no longer a viable option, and that each restaurant already had the DVD players, and this is what they still wanted (this is 2018 !). So I wound up loading in an older OS, so I could load in DVD Studio Pro.
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you have not stated how many users need to access this information for editing.
If it’s just you and your iMac, just get a RAID array from one of the countless companies that make them for thunderbolt RAIDs – like G-Tech, Promise, Maxx Digital, Cal Digit, Other World Computing.If multiple people need to access this media for editing, you get a network attached storage product that has 10G capability (and 10G adaptors for your iMac). Companies like QNAP, Netgear and Synology make low cost units that will work well for you. There are more expensive solutions that are also excellent from LumaForge, Studio Network Solutions, Facilis, EditShare, GB Labs, etc. that will all do the job – all for more money.
As long as they don’t try to make you edit off their Windows servers !
Bob Zelin
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this is my opinion, and of course, I am looking to “start trouble”.
Way back when, when Apple first purchased Final Cut from Macromedia, the “concept was to plug in a Firewire 400 cable into your DV camera, and capture your video media. And of course, “the professionals” said “what kind of piece of crap is this – this is not an AVID”.
It was not until AJA and Blackmagic got involved (and Pinnacle and Matrox) that FCP was considered a professional product. Translation – THIRD PARTY MANUFACTURERS.
As time went on, Nvidia got involved, and released the Quadro 4000. So now, we had a GPU, wonderful I/O, cards from Sonnet, Cal Digit, etc. and things were wonderful, and we all loved the Mac Pro – why ? THIRD PARTY MANUFACTURES.
When FCP X was first released – no shared storage, but you could “Share” to iCloud. With a lot of kicking and screaming, with FCP X 10.3, all of a sudden sharing to a network drive with SMB became possible.
And with macOS 10.13, (and with new MacBook Pros and iMacs), its becoming obvious that Apple wants to “close the doors” and not allow for THIRD PARTY MANUFACTURERS who are the ones that actually make these products viable (for the person that says “I made my living with FCP 1, and a DV cable – just shut up and go away).
If Apple continues with (what appears) to be a closed door policy of things to come – where if they don’t directly make money (like in the App Store) then YOU are not plugging anything into an Apple product – well, that may be the end (for many of us). Hopefully this will not be the case.
It would be like Ford saying “you will use Ford tires, Ford Gas, Ford oil filters, Ford technicians for repairs, etc. or you are NOT driving this car”.
Bob Zelin
Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
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I look forward to hearing how your user experience is with the Netgear ReadyNAS
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all that really matters here is Adobe C C, and Davinci Resolve (and this forum replies with “well, just use Apple software). If Adobe and Resolve continue to push the use of GPU acceleration with Nvidia GTX-1080ti cards, and show only PC’s at NAB 2018, because of this – well, then this is a big deal. At least to me.
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I don’t want to seem ungrateful. I am very happy that this is happening, and that Sonnet and Akitio products will work wonderfully with this. I am very unhappy that Apple is NOT cooperating with Nvidia, and that the NVidia
GTX-1080ti and Nvidia Titan X are not directly supported, and require lots of “song and dance” (terminal commands) to get them to work. I would like to know EXACTLY why Apple is giving Nvidia (and anyone else ) a hard time
except for AMD cards.I would like to know that if Apple intends to release a new Mac Pro (an expandable Mac) that we will not be at the mercy of the companies that are in “financial ties” with Apple. I would like to see Apple cooperate with anyone, and not block their drivers from running on any Apple product that is to be released. I am very unhappy with
Apple System Integrity Protection, and the current nightmare it is to install any third party product that is running under macOS 10.13.3. And anyone here that says “well, why don’t you just buy Apple only” – well, that person needs to be beaten. The reason our industry exists is because of open architecture, and preventing that from happening – well, that is cause for an uprising.With that said – again, I am grateful for the support of external eGPU with 10.13.4, even if it’s only with the selected AMD GPU cards right now.
Bob Zelin
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Hi –
the QNAP TVS-873e is a brand new product. I have setup literally ONE of these, and this will be for demonstration at the NAB 2018 show at the Maxx Digital booth. In my initial tests, I get about 500 MB/sec write and about 1000 MB/sec read. This is with a single Mac Pro 6,1 computer using a Sonnet Twin 10G. That is all the testing I have done with this unit.I cannot tell you how well it performs with multiple systems. I am surprised at it’s low price point – it’s about
$1300 without drives for the 8G model. This of course requires the optional 10G card – the LAN-10G2T-X550.
More expensive QNAP models like the TVS-1282T and the TS-1685 come for free with the dual port 10G card, and 16
Gig of RAM. I can assure you that the TVS-1282T and the TS-1685 work great for video editing. SO – will the
TVS-873e work great – I don’t know. It’s my first time doing the tests on this new unit.I have setup several Synology systems, and they are excellent too. Please remember that with any system, you really need eight SATA drives and 10G ports for reliable playback. Getting a 4 bay from any manufacturer will do nothing for you. And without the 10G ports, you are wasting your time.
While I use Netgear 10G switches on literally every installation, I have never tried a Netgear ReadyNAS.
To my knowledge, Netgear only makes one series of rack mounted 12 bays with 10G ports, and they are about
$4000 without drives. Their smaller models to my knowledge, don’t have 8 drives, and without 8 drives, you are wasting your time.Both QNAP and Synology do heavy marketing and research for video applications. IT was at NAB that I saw the QNAP, and decided to test it. Unfortunately, Netgear does not participate in any video trade show, and has no exposure for the video market. Is it a great product – I just don’t know. Where did you read the ReadyNAS was better than the QNAP. IF someone is reviewing a product, and is not referencing the type of video work that we do – with Adobe, AVID, Davinci Resolve and FCP X – then it means nothing to me. I don’t care how great a product is with accounting data. That means nothing for our industry.
Bob Zelin
Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
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