Bob Zelin
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get a friend to help you. Leave the drives in the system. Power down the unit. TWO PEOPLE carry it into your car.
You drive to the next building. Your friend, who drove with you, helps you out with the heavy Super Micro chassis, and helps bring it into the new building, and get it into the rack. You are not doing this yourself. I work by myself all the time. I know what can, and cannot be done with just one person.Bob Zelin
Bob Zelin
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I would not do a RAID01 or RAID10. Period.
Mirroring in 2018 ?Bob
Bob Zelin
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you do not need the SSD’s or M.2 SATA drives
this model will do 4 – 5 streams of 4K
you will need thunderbolt to 10G adaptors for your Mac’s, or 10G PCIe cards for your Win 10 PC’s to get these speeds.Don’t lose my email address.
Bob Zelin
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Hi Farhad –
replies below –You write –
Your first answer helped me eliminate TVS-1282T3 and just as I was thinking, TS-1685 is the one, I saw your second reply for the rack – Now I am looking TS-1685-D1531-128GR for $5,298 and TVS-EC1680U-SAS-RP-16G-R2 for $6,106 which is not a significant jump (Except there will be the rack cost to add) – However in terms of pure specs, the 1681 seems much more powerful and and so a better deal (except I lose 4 Bays, but that’s okay) – Am I missing out on something, and what would you recommend between the two.REPLY –
I would not buy either of these models. I would purchase the bare bones TS-1685 with 16 gig of RAM.
And if you want to be a “big shot”, get the model with 32 Gig of RAM –
here is it for about $3000 US
https://www.amazon.com/QNAP-TS-1685-D1521-32G-US-Qnap-High-Capacity/dp/B06XT33M3W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1528132682&sr=8-1&keywords=ts-1685You are using this as a file server, not as a computer for rendering and processing. The cheaper unit, with the 16 or 32 gig of RAM will work perfectly fine. You do not need to spend $5298 or $6106. SAVE THE MONEY. Buy a good Netgear 10G switch.
you write –
Also side question maybe silly but saw it on Amazon Review – Lenovo TS460 (https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/data-center/servers/towers/ThinkServer-TS460/p/77LS7TS460M) – Seems to have good specs and much much cheaper, would you even consider it?REPLY – now you are being foolish. DO NOT purchase a generic Windows server from Lenovo, Dell, HP, etc. for this application. You will fail. If you do not want to purchase a QNAP, plenty of other products will work perfectly for your application, as long as you have a good internal processor (like an Intel or AMD) and a 10G card. Products from Synology, Netgear ReadyNAS, Studio Network Solutions, Facilis, EditShare, AVID, ProMax, LumaForge, Apace, GB Labs, DDP, will all work wonderfully. If you get the Lenovo, you will fail, your boss will fire you, and you will be looking for a new job.
Bob Zelin
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The TS-1282T is an excellent product. It typically sells for $2800 empty. It has eight drive slots, 4 SSD slots, and 2 build in 10GBase-T ports. The most important feature of this product is four thunderbolt 3 ports for direct attached connection to thunderbolt 3 computers. With that said, there are only 2 thunderbolt busses, so each buss will get shared between 2 computers, reducing the overall speed. And thunderbolt 3 can only run a maximum of 2 meters, so in my opinion, this makes thunderbolt 3 connection very impractical, unless you are the sole user, and you have the QNAP sitting right next to you.
For the exact same money, you can get the TS-1685, which offers you 50% more storage capability (4 additional drive bays). There are no thunderbolt 3 ports, but it uses 12G miniSAS for expansion. The TVS-1282T uses thunderbolt to connect to expansion chassis. I have found that in practical application, the TS-1685 is a much better value, as you get more storage capability, greater bandwidth connectivity to future expansion chassis, (you can add 4 SATA expander chassis), and wonderful performance. Typical connection is QNAP 10G port to a 10G switch. Clients connect with thunderbolt 2 to thunderbolt 3 to 10G adaptors (unless you own an iMac Pro with native 10G port) and performance will be between 800 – 1000 MB/sec per client. Of course, the overall bandwidth of the TS-1685 will be greater as it is using 12 7200 RPM SATA drives, as opposed to the TVS-1282T which only uses 8 SATA drives
Bob Zelin
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Hi Farhad,
this is a very unfair question. Studio Network Solutions is an excellent manfacturer of shared storage solutions. To compare an SNS product to a QNAP TVS-1282T or TS-1685, you would compare these to the wonderful
Studio Network Solutions 8 bay or 16 bay EVO shared storage system, not the tiny non expandable 4 bay Prodigy Desktop. There is an expression “you must compare Apples to Apples, not Apples to Oranges”. The Studio Network Solutions EVO 8 bay and 16 bay are robust, powerful, and expandable systems. The Prodigy is an entry level system. If your only reason for asking is price (because the Prodigy is similar price to the QNAP’s you mention), then yes, for that money, the QNAP’s will outperform the Prodigy. If you are serious about shared storage solutions, price should not be your only concern, and you should be looking at features and capability as well.Bob Zelin
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QNAP rack mount systems are excellent, fast and reliable. They come standard with dual port SFP+ 10G cards, can hold an optional dual port 10Gbase-T card (the QNAP LAN-10G2T-X550) for $359, and come standard with
12G SAS expander port, so you can add EIGHT additional 16 bay QNAP chassis onto the main system.How do I know this –
because I installed multiple QNAP TVS-EC2480U-SAS-RP-R2-16G systems for Disney Broadcast Operations. I installed QNAP TVS-EC1680U for Universal Studios Creative, and I installed QNAP TVS-EC1680U for Spectrum Cable. I have installed countless number of QNAP systems all over the US and Europe, and they are great, expandable and reliable. With the simple addition of a Netgear XS series 10G switch (like an XS716T or XS724T) these systems can easily handle your 5 – 10 editor workload. With the addition of thunderbolt to 10G adaptors from companies like Sonnet or Promise (or ATTO, or Akitio) your workstations will get anywhere from 800 – 1000 MB/sec per client – more than enough for 8K video editing. With the addition of Indiestor Mimiq software, you will add the ability to use these systems with AVID Media Composer.Please let me know if you have any further questions. I will be more than happy to answer you in painful detail.
Bob Zelin
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Rescue 1, Inc.
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installing a QNAP or Synology or Netgear ReadyNAS involves a complex setup. If you are a single user, and just want to plug in a big fast drive array, and not have to pay someone for the setup, and not have to deal with all the setup stuff (and don’t care about having 2 or more users share the same RAID array), then just get a nice simple G-Tech Studio XL or Promise Pegasus. It plugs in and works, and they are fast.
Many people will not want to deal with the complexity of a NAS system, if they only have one user.
Bob Zelin
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Rescue 1, Inc.
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Steve is on a TVS-873e with a QNAP QXG-10G1T 10G card, connected directly to his computer. No switch.
If he was using a switch he would get the same results.
Yes, the RAID array is fully populated.
For a small system, you can use
a QNAP QSW-1208-8C switch (under $600) or a Netgear XS708T (about $819). There are additional small unmanaged Netgear switches that work but I don’t recall the numbers right now. Off to Cinegear in LA.Bob Zelin
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I also suggest the TS-1685 – for the same money , you get more capability.
Bob Zelin
Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
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