Bob Zelin
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the TVS-EC1680U-SAS-RP-R2 is an end of life product. This was the top product 2 months ago.
It has been replaced by the TS-1683XU-RP (Intel Xeon) and the TS-1677XU-RP (AMD Ryzen).
Bob Zelin
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Hi Randy –
I setup these systems as RAID 6. Drives in 2019 are very very reliable, and it is rare to see a failed drive these days. With modern products (like QNAP) there are multiple indications if a drive has failed, and you can do the rebuild HOT while your 4 editors continue to work. You simply pop out the bad drive put in the replacement, and the auto rebuild starts.The TS-1683XU-RP is a great product. You can add a 12G mini SAS card into one of the four PCIe slots (under $400) and then add EIGHT additional 16 bay RAID chassis to this system. That’s over a pedabyte of storage. With 12 TB drives in the main system, you will get 192 TB raw, and 168 TB after RAID 6.
Axle is a great small MAM product to run with the QNAP, and will run on any of your Mac’s.
Bob Zelin
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Hi Randy –
I am very confused by your post.
In your Subject line – you state “Suggestions for a 16 bay Rackmount NAS?”but in the body of your post, you ask about the QNAP TVS-EC1580MU
The TVS-EC1580MU is not a current product for QNAP, but I see it on the mail order listings.
This is a 9 bay system with 6 slots for 2 1/2″ SSD’s.
For a video editing application, you will find that QNAP Qtier or Disk Caching does absolutely nothing, if you are using applications like Resolve, Premiere, Media Composer or FCP X.For a modern 16 bay QNAP solution, I strongly recommend the new QNAP TS-1683XU-RP which is Intel Xeon based, or the less expensive QNAP TS-1677XU-RP, which is AMD Ryzen based. These units are the modern 16 bay QNAP systems, that fully support 10GbE, and are fully expandable, with an additional eight 16 bay RAID chassis.
But you only have 4 edit workstations. You can get away with a much less expensive system that can handle 4K for all edit workstations.
The QNAP TS-1685 is a 12 bay (it too has four 2 1/2″ SSD slots that you do not need to use) – and this is half the price of the 16 bay rack mount models. YES, it comes for free with dual 10GbE 10Gig ports. And yes – this is expandable with four REXP-1000 Pro 10 bay expander chassis.And for even less money, you can get the QNAP TVS-872XT, which is an 8 bay that can be expanded with
up to 6 8 bay TX-800P thunderbolt expander chassis. This model is VERY inexpensive, and comes with a single 10GbE port.Any of these products (including the Synology) would connect to a small 10G Netgear or QNAP switch, to all for all of your edit workstations to have 10G connectivity to your QNAP (or Synology). Of course, your computers need 10G Nic ports – either thunderbolt to 10G, or a PCIe card that would go into an old Mac Pro, or a Windows 10 PC.
Then all four of your workstations could easily do 4K editing with this system.
The QNAP systems are very inexpensive, and will give you the same performance as these other systems.
And you are correct – you can purchase TWO of these systems – one for your main edit system, and one for near line storage backup, over the 10G network, and this would STILL cost less than one of the other systems mentioned.The QNAP backup software comes for free with the QNAP – it is called Hybrid Backup Sync.
The Ursa Mini Pro G2 is great – just remember that currently only Resolve is supporting Blackmagic RAW – but it shoots in ProRes 4K as well (Ultra HD) and it looks great. And of course, your lenses will cost more than the camera.
I have personally never installed the Synology RS4017xs+. Synology doesn’t seem to focus on the video industry, and never shows up to video trade shows. But their equipment is excellent. Most of my experience comes with the QNAP product line currently.
I can assist you with either.
Bob Zelin
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Rescue 1, Inc.
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“I must shoot in 8K raw !” –
no one has any idea of the bandwidth required for this (unless you are running efficient codecs like .r3d).
And so those requirements (and for 16K in the future) will require NO SATA drives, but all SSD’s and NVMe’s, and no one will be willing to pay for it.Everyone is a big shot, until they have to pay for it.
Bob Zelin
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I find this article quite funny. “Oh my God ! – if they put a $10,000 Xeon 9200 in a new Mac Pro – it could cost
$20,000 for the computer !!! ”Many of us come from a background where buying a 1″ VTR was $80,000, and you needed 3 of these, and buying a Sony HD VTR cost just as much. And this was 35 years ago. If you are a professional, and making more money than you made in 1995 – if your investment for a single computer is $20,000, that will blow the doors off of anything else – why does this matter to you ? OH – I know, because you bill $300 a day for your services including your hardware, so how on earth could you even consider an “investment” like this.
Welcome to 2019. Davinci Resolve is still free. I was just texted today by a client that told me that their
LTO library annual support contract was $20,000 a year, and they are going to drop them. Where do I find clients like this ?Bob Zelin
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I know the Intel X550 pretty well, and I have NO IDEA of where
“Interrupt Moderation Rate” even is, in the Properties tab for the setup of the X550.Bob Zelin
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I do not know the Arriscan product.
However, the first thing you should do is direct connect between your two PC’s together via the Intel X550 cards, and do a simple speed test between the 2. That will tell you in seconds what your transfer speed is, and if the problem is with your drive array that you are trying to write to.The Intel X550 cards are excellent, and the Mellanox 10G cards will not outperform the Intel X550 cards. THAT at least I have experience with.
Bob Zelin
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Hi Josh –
my original post was made in 2011. That is a LONG time ago. None of this applies today in 2019.
Today, there is no issue in installing even a huge 14 TB Seagate Ironwolf in any modern Win 10 PC.
No special rules – just put in the drive, format it, and go to work. And in 2027, when someone finds this post, perhaps someone will say “what’s a SATA drive” or “you think that 14 TB is a huge drive ? “.And believe me, I actually know “professionals” that are still using Mac Pro’s from 2006 and 2007. Do you know what I call these people ? Crazy !
Bob Zelin
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Wow –
because I don’t have access to clients that can afford these systems – well, I am quite shocked that the OpenDrives system was not FAST ENOUGH – but they are all SSD, and if Creative Space is all NVMe – (and you can afford it) – then wow, that’s amazing.Bob Zelin
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https://creative.space/products/breathless
16 TB “starting at” $2495 per month. Wow – what a deal.
If money is not an issue, this system has a proven track record with countless feature films behind them –
https://opendrives.com/https://opendrives.com/products/apex/
Bob Zelin
Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
bobzelin@icloud.com