[Arc Nevada]

I was editing with R3D quicktime proxies over two years ago, before CS4 even came out, so NO, you don’t have to transcode the file “into the Apple Pro Res” as you put it. The last job I did for LG, I was editing R3D proxies on set with my laptop 10 minutes after Hayden Panettiere finished shooting.

As far as the Mercury Engine goes, Adobe has been really quiet about the exact requirements for full real time 4K playback and effects. I know the price is going to be steep for a PC that can actually handle it and there aren’t going to be any people editing 4K on a laptop with fire wire or esata. Just look at the requirements for a Resolve to grade 4K in real time, and that utilizes multiple graphics cards just like the Mercury Engine. Why would you edit with full 4K resolution anyway? I don’t know any normal cards that support 4K to 4K monitoring with R3D besides the Red Rocket and that’s not going to work on a Mercury Engine system.

Adobe has not been quite about the system requirements. Infact they listed what cards are supported over 4 months ago. You are just too much of a Premiere Pro hater to go and get the facts.

The Red Rocket won’t work with the Mercury Playback Engine? You are a silly man and not really worth my time. The Mercury Playback Engine eliminates the need for the Red Rocket dude. Why would I spend over $4,750.00 for the Red Rocket When I can buy a GTX 285 video card for $300.00? The Nvidia Graphics card does all the realtime. You do not need multiple graphics cards to playback 5 layers of native R3D codec. One Nvidia card does it all. You can use a $199.00 Decklink Card for NTSC monitoring and CC or use the Nvidia graphics cards HDMI port. You don’t need the Red Rocket with Premiere Pro CS5. To make the statement that the Mercury Playback Engine does not make use of the Red Rocket lets me know you do not have a clue about what PP CS5 can do. Also you are only editing with proxie files because you have to. Why wouldn’t you want to playback full resolution if your system could do it with ease? CS5 will edit R3D files as easy as standard DV. I can build a system with the GTX 285 video card for about a grand even. The GTX 400 series (fermie) should be getting aproved very soon.

[Arc Nevada]

Re: Does FCS hold a candle to Adobe anymore?
by Rafael Amador on Apr 20, 2010 at 5:39:14 am

Hi Arc,
Great advantages for the people that works with RED, for the people that mix formats, and for for the people that works for Hollywood. Pity I do not belong to any of these groups.

I see that you know very well PP ( I wonder if you are another Adobe’s FC Forum Observer).
But, how do you dare to talk about FC when you have never put your hands on him?
That gets very clear just reading a recent thread of you:

https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/3/900391#900435

You shouldn’t talk about what you don’t know.
rafael

I have used FCP many many times. My friend always has to convert AVCHD into the Pro Res. He hates doing it. He does not have the newest version of FCS so things may be different. He was able to drop and drag more native file codecs into Premire Pro than FCP. He was trying the demo version of PP on his Mac. He liked the demo of Premiere Pro. I am not saying FCP has to transcode all files into the Pro Res but Premiere will accept just about anything. We were not having the same luck with FCP. I am not saying Premiere can accept eveything but I have never had a codec that had to be transcoded into an intermediate codec. My system plays m2t files just fine.

Please explain what I don’t know? If the codec played in FCP but not in Premiere I am willing to bet it was not Native HDV, AVCHD/m2t, MPEG, Quicktime or Panasonics P2 type codec. The only thing I can say is my system works and my friends Mac Pro had not one codec that Premiere Pro did not accept. I admit my friends Mac Pro accepted the m2t codec with out transcoding but it did drop frames slightly. He has two 2.66 Core 2 Duals. My system was playing m2t files in realtime with a 2.666 GHZ Quad Core. I am wondering if some of those folks had Core 2 Dual systems. If so then yes Premiere will drop frames when playing native AVCHD/m2t files at full resolution. I honeslty think it might be a Mac thing. The person stated he is using a Mac with Premiere Pro. I don’t have any of the problems he had and my video proves it. So yes my PC with Premiere Pro can accept anything I throw at it thus far with out the need to transcode. I can even place a Flash file on the timeline. On the PC side Premiere Pro will even accept clipart files from the MS Office Suite.

[Arc Nevada]

Actually I love the ability to mix the formats in realtime in the timeline. I don’t care so much about 12 layers of video as the mixing of formats and more filters in realtime. I wonder if you can put a drop shadow on text and have that play back in realtime.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Editor, Colorist, Director, Writer, Consultant, Author, Chef.
HD Post and Production

I am not sure if you were trying to be funny or not but you can use drop shadows on titles. Infact any effect or transition can be added to the tiltes. I think you will have a fun time using the Premiere Pro titling tools.

[Arc Nevada]

Re: Does FCS hold a candle to Adobe anymore?
by Illya Laney on Apr 18, 2010 at 10:57:12 pm

“The real question is how well it does each task. Can any CS5 fans tell us what it does better and how?”

Re: Does FCS hold a candle to Adobe anymore?
by Illya Laney on Apr 19, 2010 at 7:20:09 pm

“No it’s not. It’s the artist and the facility that gets the clients. Put a lousy editor in an FCP suite and you’re not going to get any clients. Put a lousy editor in an Avid suite and you’re not going to get any clients. ”

I completely agree, but you’re talking about something completely different. I’m talking about FCP versus Premiere, not skill versus tech. It’s a completely different conversation.

Your original post stated can SC5 fans tell us what is better and how? Now you want to go FCP Vs. Premiere. OK, lets do it dude. If a client needs you to edit the Red One R3D codec with FCP you have to transcode the file into the Apple Pro Res. That wastes the clients time. With Premiere Pro CS4 I can edit the natvie Red One’s R3D codec. CS5 will allow for multiple layers at 4K resolution with effects. I don’t think FCP will accept the full 4K resolution. FCS and Color? Did you say Color? Both Premiere and After Effects can edit in the cameras native color space or 32 bit if you want boost it up. Premiere has almost all the PhotoShop tools. Are you suggesting Photoshop can not do color grading? Show me something you can do in Color that I can not do in Premiere. Keep in mind the titling system of Premiere blows the FCP titler into oblivion. Let’s not forget Premiere Pro ships with Encore and OnLocation both. Also CS5 now has a screen writing program included. Premiere Pro can accept Avid an FCP files. Premiere Pro works on Mac and PC hardware both. Premiere Pro makes better use of the Mac hardware than FCP does.

Re: Does FCS hold a candle to Adobe anymore?
by Illya Laney on Apr 19, 2010 at 11:33:42 pm

I understand you’re getting an Avid system, and I believe that’s a good move, but are you going to try using Premiere with clients before FCS 3 comes out?

I’m not trying to be rude or smart with this question, just honestly curious to see what everyone’s actually going to do in the next few months.

Dude, you do realize Avatar made use of the Production Premium don’t you? If it is good enough for James Cameron’s Avatar it should be good enough for any of your clients. You seem to have a hatred toward Premiere and it shows big time. You claim you are not trying to be rude or smart. I can not argue with that at all. If you wanted to be smart you could check out what the CS5 Produciton Premium has to offer at Adobe’s website instead of needing me to make a list for you.

[Arc Nevada]

Re: Does FCS hold a candle to Adobe anymore?
by Illya Laney on Apr 18, 2010 at 10:57:12 pm

“The real question is how well it does each task. Can any CS5 fans tell us what it does better and how?”

I can tell you what FCP does better than Premiere. It’s better at getting clients. Would you use Soundbooth rather than Pro Tools too?

Are you suggesting Apple’s iWeb is superior to DreamWeaver? What program do you FCS users have to match OnLocation? Premiere and After Effect were two of the first programs to to edit the Red One’s native R3D codec. You can even email the Red One team to varify this. With Premiere Pro I do not waste time transcoding into the Pro Res. I edit the native video codec files. All the CS4/CS5 programs integrate well with one another. As far as I know native Aperture files do not integrate with iWeb or FCP. So yea the CS4 Master Collection offers a far more superior multimedia solution than FCS. And yes, I would opt for Soundbooth over Pro Tools but you need to keep in mind that on the PC side Audition can also integrate with AE, Encore and Premiere just as good as Soundbooth can. And no, Pro Tools is not that great when compared to other audio editing systems. Sorry to have to bring the bad news to you but you should go to the Adobe website if you really want to get all the answers.

[Arc Nevada]

Steve Jobs also stated the G5 CPUs would reach over 3GHZ by the end of the year when they were first released. That never happened. Is Steve Jobs just telling you what you want to hear?

I heard the new iADS thingy is going to be 64 bit before FCP : )

Who really knows what Steve jobs will do? : (

[Arc Nevada]

Re: Does FCS hold a candle to Adobe anymore?
by Michael Gissing on Apr 14, 2010 at 2:28:02 am

[arc nevada] “The CS5 Master Collection can do everything FCS can do and more”

A tractor can do everything my car can do plus more. I can build a house with a swiss army knife, but I would rather use a power tool or ten. The real question is how well it does each task. Can any CS5 fans tell us what it does better and how?

Why not visit Adobetv or the adobe website and see first hand? Once you watch a few tutorials you might end up dropping FCS. I ditched Edius after seeing the tutorials and I do not regret it at all. Premiere Pro, DreamWeaver, Indesign, and Soundbooth all kick ass. I suggest you check out the Auto Compose feature of Soundbooth for starters.

Perhaps in another 10 years Aperture might integrate well with FCP and iWeb might integrate well with Aperture. Aperture might someday import native 3D objets from Lightwave, Maya and 3DS Max. You can wait for FCS to catch up to the CS4/CS5 Master Collection but I’m not going to. If you have access to the internet then you have no excuse to be ingorant of what the CS4/CS5 Master Collection can do that FCS can not. You may not need the Master Collection but don’t try to pretend that Dreamweaver, Indesign, After Effects and Photoshop are not used everyday in the real world. FCS does not have programs for audio, video, film, print and the internet that integrate as well as the CS5 Master Collection. The CS5 Master Collection covers the whole multimedia spectrum FCS does not and probably never will.

[Arc Nevada]

Any video card will work OK with Premiere CS5 but only certain Nvidia cards are certified for the GPU Mercury Playback Engine acceleration.

[Arc Nevada]

I think Avid was very expensive in the past. FCP was a way to edit film for less money provided you we not doing highend Special Effects. The Adobe Production Premium may start to take sales away from FCS because it is 64 BIT and integrates well with all the other Adobe products. FCS will get better but how long before FCP integrates with Aperture or iWeb integrates with Aperture? I used to use Edius but the integration of the Adobe Products made me switch real quick. There are some good tutorials at Adobe’s website to see how great the integration is. Premiere is not a bad editor and is very much like FCP GUI wise. The Mercury Playback Engine will let you edit much faster. More graphics cards will be supported for Mercury before the CS 5 products ship.

https://vimeo.com/10935283

The above link might be of some interest.

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[Arc Nevada]

The choice is yours. The CS5 Master Collection can do everything FCS can do and more. The integration of the CS 4 products can not be beat in my opinion.