Andy Neil
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[Gary Huff]“So now you are wrong on both counts, which makes your original post pointless.”
Not at all. My post had a very clear point. You however, have not been interested in my point. You’ve been commenting on the manner in which I’ve made my point. It would be a relief if you actually commented on the point of my post, but if you claim you don’t know the point of it, you’d be insulting your own intelligence.
Andy
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[Gary Huff] “You can have derision for something that actually exists.”
Then show me posts that prove my statement, “those saying that FCPX will have all the pro features back by the end of the year.”
I was exaggerating on both ends. That group doesn’t exist any more than the one you’re railing on about. Just because you THINK it exists, doesn’t count.
[Gary Huff] “Andy, please don’t insult my intelligence.”
Why not? You’re insulting mine.
Andy
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I said it was hyperbole, which it was. That IS “owning up to it”. It was also grouped with another ridiculous statement from the “pro FCP X” debate, but you just seem to ignore that because it doesn’t help you.
I never stated it as a fact. There are no quotes on the statement. You are simply reading into it what you want.
Andy
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[Gary Huff] “Andy, you are continually stretching that point until it has broken and snapped back to hit you in the face.
Your statement was not true and based in ignorance of what has been said here. Own up.”
And you Gary seem incapable of making a precise statement. What “point” are you accusing me of stretching? What statement have I made that you feel is “based in ignorance”?
Andy
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “he can’t have derision for them – they don’t exist.”
That is why I said it was hyperbole. Just as the OTHER quote was hyperbole. No one is saying that FCP X will be fixed by the end of the year.
However, by calling those on one side of the FCP debate, “fanboys” and “apologists”, Mike is most definitely showing his colors. I only asked that he show equal snark with the “haters” and “Avid shills”.
True, no one is saying that multicam isn’t coming back, but there is this exchange:
Jonathan Dortch“(Multicam will) be back, probably done by some combo of multiple range selectors and the compound clip system.”
[TImothy Auld] “I’m glad you’re confident it’s coming back, Jonathan. In my experience that is not how Apple operates.”
Perhaps not outright saying it, but certainly expressing cynicism about it’s return. And then there’s this:
Lance Bachelder“FCPX will NEVER be widely adapted in the pro world – it’s complete crap.”
The hyperbole I used was to illustrate the divide in satirical fashion. The “derision” I was asking Mike to apportion was for the “FCPX complainer” side of the debate. Not specifically to people who said, “multicam isn’t coming back.”
Andy
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “so then putting these together you have created a false and invalid position for the person you are arguing against, which you then proceed to knock down in your post.”
No offense, I but I completely disagree with your assessment. Mainly because you are selectively omitting parts of my post that refute your claim that I’m propping up a straw man.
Yes, I said, “people saying that Apple isn’t planning on adding multicam back in, or any true “professional” features because they are only interested in making gadgets and toys”. I also said, “There is as much truth to any of that as there is to those saying that FCPX will have all the pro features back by the end of the year.”
What I’m doing is using hyperbole on both sides of an issue (one that I’m not defending OR attacking) to demonstrate that the argument itself has gotten a little ridiculous. The only argument my post intended to make was that Mike was being disingenuous in his post by feigning non-partiality in one sentence and then being terribly partial in the next.
Andy
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“that’s a bit of a strawman.”
I’m not making an argument in favor of FCPX, I’m asking for equality for haters and fanboys alike. One cannot say things like, “I think it is bad for people to spread rumors either for or against something when they have no actual knowledge of it,” and then, in the same post say, “Never in my life have I seen so many people step up to the plate and pretend to be mouthpieces for a company or product,” and have any claim to unbiasedness.
Andy
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“I’ve been told by experienced editors that is a toy and a waste of time.”
Does this mean you don’t have or haven’t even tried FCPX? If true, don’t you think it’s a little premature to slam features you haven’t even tried? The skimmer is not a waste, it’s just different and takes some getting used to. Keyword collections and smart collections are like bins on steroids. They can be as helpful or automated as you want them to be.
And really, FCPX isnt as different an NLE as people are making it out to be. Sure, shortcuts are different and there are some aspects that are radical changes in paradigm (clip connections), but you still load clips in a viewer, mark in and out points, drop in a sequence. I’d be amazed if you couldn’t figure out how to edit with it quickly.
There’s certainly a lot to be annoyed about, but I’m not going to slam features that are actually improvements to the design.
Andy
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Here you go. My double-response for your double-post.
I find it truly amazing how many Apple apologists there are on this forum.
See, that’s ironic because I find it amazing how many Apple complainers have been whining about Apple apologists. The people slamming Apple outnumber “apologists” 2-1 on this forum and yet anyone who maintains an optimistic point of view strains the credulity of the “haters.”
You say that both sides need to stop pretending that they speak for Apple when it comes to speculation on what features will or won’t be added, but you only slam the “cult-like” fanboys. Where’s your derision for the people saying that Apple isn’t planning on adding multicam back in, or any true “professional” features because they are only interested in making gadgets and toys? You know, the vast majority of posters. There is as much truth to any of that as there is to those saying that FCPX will have all the pro features back by the end of the year.
Andy
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I find it truly amazing how many Apple apologists there are on this forum.
See, that’s ironic because I find it amazing how many Apple complainers have been whining about Apple apologists. The people slamming Apple outnumber “apologists” 2-1 on this forum and yet anyone who maintains an optimistic point of view strains the credulity of the “haters.”
You say that both sides need to stop pretending that they speak for Apple when it comes to speculation on what features will or won’t be added, but you only slam the “cult-like” fanboys. Where’s your derision for the people saying that Apple isn’t planning on adding multicam back in, or any true “professional” features because they are only interested in making gadgets and toys? You know, the vast majority of posters. There is as much truth to any of that as there is to those saying that FCPX will have all the pro features back by the end of the year.
Andy
https://www.timesavertutorials.com