Andrew Kimery
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[Alex Gollner] “But people don’t say “Why don’t you just Premiere it?” “
Does anyone say Media Composer it? Lightworks it? Final Cut Pro it? After Effects it? Baselight it? Excel it?
I think the last 6 or 7 years Adobe has been creating a competitive product with Premiere Pro.
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[Brian Seegmiller] “What are they afraid of by releasing those numbers?”
Couldn’t say specifically, but probably the same reason Apple only gives revenue numbers for the following catagories iPhone, iPad, Mac, Services and Other. I don’t think Blackmagic gives out any numbers at all. Seems companies only want to give out the minimal amount of information. Can’t really say I’m surprised as you don’t want accidentally give an advantage/insight for the competition or say something that might spook investors that don’t really know the ins/outs of the business they’ve invested in.
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[Patrick Donegan] “And then with Premiere Pro the next question is “CC” or “legacy”?”
The program hasn’t changed though, just the payment method. Most people though identify the older versions of PPro by the CS number (ex. PPro CS6) while using the release year when talking about the CC versions (ex. PPro 2017).
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[Bill Davis] “Add the fact that every month that a user does their work inside a “than you for letting us control of your IP” subscription model – the ability to leave gets more and more difficult as the months pass..”
That’s just your personal experience/opinion though, not a fact. On the flip side, PPro has been my main NLE for over three years and if I canceled my subscription tomorrow it wouldn’t be a problem, but the types of projects I generally work on are probably very different than the types of projects you generally work on. If work that needs to be done in PPro comes around again then I’ll just restart my subscription.
IMO lack of competition is the big thing that makes people feel like they are locked into a certain system, not accounting methods. For example, many Avid users see the Adrenaline days as a low point with the company but they still felt compelled to spend 10’s (if not 100’s) of thousands of dollars on Avid’s products because they didn’t think any viable alternatives existed (‘stuck’ with MC, no subscription required). Once FCP Legend was considered a ‘good enough’ alternative to MC then you saw the defections start to happen in relatively short order.
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[Noah Kadner] “Are you saying that’s the case with Adobe?”
Not really, just a general comment.
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[Noah Kadner] “Dumb question: why does Adobe need to be stopped? Competition is fantastic.”
For the same reason that some people think Avid needs to die…? I dunno…
I agree that competition is always welcomed. Any company gaining a strangle hold becomes a tenuous situation because customers end up relying on the benevolence of the company.
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[Tom Sefton] “To be honest, the only plugins that were used for this project were lumetri- which is now part of adobe’s stock plugins, and then izotope RX6 in audition.
“Out of curiosity was Izotope used at all inside PPro itself? I’ve had major performance problems when using a lot of RX6 inside PPro, and when I contacted Izotope they basically said I shouldn’t do that. I should apply the filter(s), export the clip(s) as new media then cut that new media back into my timeline.
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[Tom Sefton] ” Adobe tech support was woeful – was even told that a 2TB library of rushes was too large and to reduce it down because premiere wouldn’t support it…”
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That is woeful support. On my doc projects I don’t think I’ve ever had a project in PPro that referenced less than 4TB of media (most I’ve hit so far is 24TB).
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[Craig Seeman] “Yet many call Adobe Premiere Pro “Premiere” despite there being a previous and entirely different iteration by that name. Perhaps it’s not as significant since the previous iteration was never the professional tool that FCP legacy came to be.”
I think it’s multiple things. “Final Cut Pro X” is the official name of the app where as the previous iteration was Final Cut Pro with a version number after it. Maybe I’m just a stickler, but I always (almost always) refer to Premiere Pro as PPro or Premiere Pro. I also had an old version of Premiere back in the day so maybe way back in my head Premiere still means that app I used in 1999 and Premiere Pro is what we have today.
Sure we are six years out, but for many of those years Final Cut Pro Legend was still in heavy use so the distinction was required. Maybe Premiere and Premiere Pro had the same thing happen in its user base it back in the day. I wasn’t a part of that group so I don’t know. It was also 14yrs ago so I’m sure that many (most?) people using Premiere Pro today don’t even realize there used to be a Premiere-not-Pro version. I’m sure we’ll eventually hit the same thing with Final Cut Pro where anything pre-X is ancient history.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “No, Premiere doesn’t emulate FCP X in this respect – the trackless paradigm is always going to have an advantage here. That said, I think a lot of users miss the many interesting but less obvious options for moving and trimming that exist in Premiere, again some of them gestural, that allow for some very sophisticated operations that I have not seen offered elsewhere. Again you can only really understand them by seeing them in action …
“Try holding down the Command key while you are dragging the clip around. You’ll get a ripple insert edit that also closes the gap of where the clip used to be in the timeline.