Aindreas Gallagher
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[Walter Soyka] “Some of us view our work differently and are comfortable subscribing, though.”
I’m being serious: How are you doing that Walter? How are you viewing the works you produce with rental software differently? You are creating owned works, dependent on tool subscription.
What you create is now tied to subscription. Your ability to access and modify what you create is tied to subscription. Have you read at all on the adobe forums? there have been real failures. As an outlier because of a short term credit card scenario, John Davidson lost complete control of the CC software recently. over a weekend.
Walter: there is no benefit scenario that trumps the basic issue whereby we habitually face losing fundamental control over the tools we are using to create personal works. I’m nearly strangling the expletives coming out my throat at this point.
this is not a subscription to watch cable, or to listen to music – this is renting your fundamental ability to do do your job. every month.
I would really like not to sound dismissive – but exactly how stupid is everyone getting here?
we need. a better. deal.
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what he said.
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[Walter Soyka] “Is it purely psychological for you? What’s the practical angle?”
the practical angle is I’m not willing to go completely open ended, no pit stop, subscription for the personal works I generate.
there is absolutely no way I’m going to do that.[Walter Soyka] “I just want to see Adobe focusing on collaboration, and I think Creative Cloud is a fantastic foundation for that. I know it’s anathema for some, but I love the potential with products and services working together”
but walter – what does that really mean anyway? that is close to magical thinking?
file sync is still offline after launch, they haven’t got it back up yet, it never included video files, their entire installer fell over for mass numbers of customers today, they were re-posting customer tips on how to get it to work on the adobe forums – its a mess.what do you actually see happening with this amazing service enmeshing? what is going on there? the kuler wheel?
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you would have to think there are likely a large number of scenarios where a lunatic mac pro that appears out of a 2014 crumplr bag ready to drive 4K off multiple screens (how big are those screens? are they measured in feet? stadium screening baby.) – would be amenable.
depending on the scenario – the client provisioning a cheap monitor is a doddle right?
And a coffee-pot sized 4K driver xeon workstation, with your assets, appears out of the shoulder bag to plug in to it?come on – what?
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[Walter Soyka] “Fair, but I’m not really asking about re-introducing purchasing.”
no… you were asking for a purchase buyout price specific to PPro – that just didn’t really make any sense.
[Walter Soyka] ” Are you arguing for some kind of a placebo?”
unusual choice of words – people are arguing for a loyalty scheme of some description that allows the long term subscriber to see realistic points in time where they gain some measure of control over the files created to that point before continuing on – as is clearly laid out above at the link, as has been discussed at length, in detail, by tim dowse.
it would broadly involve adobe providing some kind of working archive of the software at relatively lengthy intervals to continuous subscribers.
In the survey, adobe are looking for that archive to be CS6 with guarantees of file interoperability with CC three years hence. Tim Dowse argues for a fully current archive of CC software five years from activating subscription. The point is that you might be quite dis-inclined to step out at that point given the build of assets, and interplay with the other cloud offerings. the critical point is that you can work and pay to towards that scenario, and feel a mental release of breath after arriving at it.of the two I favour Tim Dowse’s scenario. It’s a little more long term, but it feels basically solid – you are three thousand dollars in – you and adobe are well in bed by then.
But, to get back to it – its not a placebo walter, its a psychological safeguard placed in front of the subscriber at the outset of an open ended journey.
It feels like an excellent idea.https://www.adobe2014.tumblr.com
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but almost who cares? – that thing might as well be geordi laforge’s computer?
I kind of find that I somewhat deeply love apple for having created that thing. I mean look at it.
the specs are bananas and you can near shove it into a shoulder bag?immense little monster.
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[Walter Soyka] “What what you say is the most you’d be willing to pay for a perpetual license buyout of Premiere Pro?”
that’s not the right argument walter. It’s not about re-introducing purchasing. realistically, for adobe, it can’t be. a lot of that suite is near feature complete, and on version 10-14.
The point is that Adobe need to introduce mechanisms into the subscription that allow for mental breathers along the way of what would be a very long term subscription commitment.
on a basic psychological level – they have to find a mechanism that means the work files aren’t completely irrevocably tied to subscription software, disappearing over the time horizon into an unseen future.
maybe the subscription numbers play out for them, and they don’t have to answer this, but I suspect the numbers might not.
Adobe have to find a way to adjust their basic customer stance here.this isn’t going to work for them or us over the medium term. they are already taking massive profit hits over a three year horizon by shrinking the pool as they are.
and that was under an optimal subscription rate scenario.
even under optimal they don’t hit 2012 profit levels until getting on for 2016. this whole thing was damn risky to begin with.https://www.adobe2104.tumblr.com
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[Craig Seeman] “I’ve thought another viable option would be that one could buy the app or suite along with a one year subscription at a reduced rate. Then if one didn’t want to renew one would be left with the app(s) as they were at that point.”
I kind of doubt adobe would go anywhere near that – they have to feel that their subscription model is broadly intact. the main thing they need to do is address the perceived long term loss of control over access to your work. three to five year pitstop where you hit some kind of understood basecamp seems a pretty good option.
any number less than 3-5 and I think adobe would start seriously shaking their heads. they need to feel that they have a valid long term subscription strategy under their feet.
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i know someone at a very big place that evaluated X for a bit – I’ve said this before, but one of the serious sticking points became that amount of file crud that X generated – they just weren’t willing to deal with it. they went PPro with anywhere. they have sites on multiple continents. they really like the look of anywhere.
but in short – as it stands – anywhere is firmly for big iron.
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mmmmmmmm.
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