[Aindreas Gallagher]

no fair ball – and when submitting to here – I’m an fcp head who, for instance, only learnt how to deal with multiclips in anger properly in the last three months, i’m that half baked – I’m also not looking to flame a soul but – well basically – brass tacks – if the filmstrip is the new viewer area, and there is no independent clip viewer that exists independently for large frame view jkl and in and out point/mark setting, FCP as a serious tool is in weird and serious jeopardy. And the point about apple is – they may well not care a whit: they’re off skating for the five year societal puck.

it may run like a flaming horse into online media and the great new open fields – but as someone pointed out – an apple event is like the federal reserve press conference, what they don’t say is as important as what they do say – and this presentation featured only the filmstrip, there was no dedicated clip viewer, there was no way to set in and out points prior to stamping to the timeline, and the omission of all these basic actions from the headline event has to mean something? Apple have to have known these points would be scarifying. You could (nightmarishly) argue that they are bending the entire notion of editing as currently understood (and painfully realised) to appeal to casual new entrants from the consumer software they currently provide.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

yessss – but you know what I mean – this all useless wittering on my part – I’m just basically curious if scrubbing material outside the timeline is restricted to the filmstrips – they’re awfully small – what if its ten odd minutes of interview material – is that going to be broken up over ten or twenty small film strip cells – almost certainly not I suppose, I just haven’t seen anything but that as a solution from the demo..

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

they did actually implement transitions on the b-roll “second story” grouping towards the end there.

I’ve been watching the french guy’s video of the demo half the day – here’s one thing that got me – when he’s scrubbing for the skid splash bits and assigning them to the tags – when the canvas temporarily becomes the viewer – the temporary clip viewer doesn’t seem to get its own scrubber, its just the visual output for the scrubbing you’re doing on the filmstrips – I guess what i’m wondering is –
is scrubbing outside the timeline confined to the filmstrip? when the canvas becomes the clip viewer – why wouldn’t i get a timeline strip under it to scrub and set/shift in and out points on.. annnd I’m going headless chicken again.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

i know – you’re right – I presume its just counting heads –
its just that it’s been a joyful season in london watching FCP mushroom into existence all over the place – basically I really don’t want that to go away because post facilities get scared off.

In a perfect world this software wins on a photoshop scale level – where it ramps from basic use scenarios cleanly through to the top end, then I’ll like, never have to learn another editing system again, said the lazy man hopefully.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

some genuinely sensible people here have made the point that we’re all drawing massive conclusions from a very limited sneak peek running in a single monitor setup – I know I’m personally guilty of going full bore headless chicken – I keep running around in circles making squeaking noises and waving my hands around.

on some levels I find the software wildly interesting, I’m no more than a half assed self taught editor and I’m personally nearly desperate to try it out – the range tagging and meta data stuff seems utterly seductive, the thought that’s gone into handling b-roll paintover and auditioning of clips is savage – ultimately the stuff I’m most worried about is stuff I haven’t seen yet and don’t know about – I’m going to mentally put this to bed I think – if apple are kind they’ll maybe put work case scenarios up in a few weeks or something. If nothing else it’s seriously absorbing software.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

yes indeed sorry – I should really just stick to freaking out on twitter and FB with my fellow editor types in london, although they all think I’m losing the plot a tiny bit too.

Right now I’m this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

no sure tim – of course, I really appreciate hum and pop coming in from STP – its great to sweeten scratch VO’s –
and I’ve had to stabilise plenty of shots in my day – I still tend to wander off into AE for that which is silly.. as for the grading thing –

the raw footage from people like Aindreas, which judging from their comments, is shot so perfectly as to never need grading or correction.
that seems a little bit of a straw man to me – i take colour correction pretty seriously, and it’s something I consider at picture lock – I’ve graded HD station Idents shot from coptors in the the Colour Finesse that comes free with AE – I’m not a tool snob, and I actually like nothing more then really getting in and fixing a ton of shots in the three way before walloping into looks – that’s a nice day – what is not feasible, professionally, is hosing all the clips with auto balance and auto contrast at ingest – that’s not a goer as its going to mask my ability to analyse the kinds of issues that might be in the various interior exterior set ups. I just don’t think it’s a professional thing to offer me.

but even that’s not my point anyway – my point is the tenor of the conversation from apple – I’ve been working broadcast and corporate for fifteen years now and I don’t know anyone who would allow colour correction, stabilisation and auto categorisation to get blasted on all clips at input – again with face detection – sure in theory it sounds kind of nice and in terms of IV’s maybe its good – but what if you have a two person IV where the b-roll is going from individual reacts to wides to hands – are those bits all going to get sent to different smart tag locations? Given that i couldn’t really rely on it not to have unintended consequences, I’d have no option but to turn all that stuff off and set about carefully assembling and tagging my own bins as I always do. Moreover I would argue that the process of viewing naming and tagging bins is essential to the editing process. It is not a mind numbing chore – it is your first apprehension of the footage, and I make strong initial decisions from my first takes. Ingesting and assembling bins by hand has intrinsic worth.

Ultimately If the updates are going to keep adding ‘let me do that for you’ features, am I just keep finding myself struggling to avoid prosumer tools messing with me, then maybe the product is being pointed at another category? one that rhymes with drosumer?

I’m not even saying there is no worth to the features – but that kind of conversation Apple is having now is different from say – ‘all filters have been recoded for full 32 bit float, legacy filters are easily transcoded, FCP 7 projects are compatible and compressor has been completely recoded to allow use of all cores’

as to the products potential – sure – and in conversation I’ve said that this is maybe like osx 10.2 or something – and I jump on at 10.4 – it ultimately depends on how many mission critical features have survived the new coding, and apple’s commitment to rounding out the feature base.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

almost certainly right there David – if you think I’m freaking out here – you should have seen me on my facebook page yesterday – i was like groucho marx doing the circledance on the floor…

everything you say there is true, and really, as long as I knew I could invoke a separate clip viewer and re-specify tracks for locking, GFX, black bars or whatever, I could go with it pretty happily – also there’s the advanced selection tools, de-magnetising the track, oh wait: i’m freaking out again…

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

okedoke – say what about this use scenario – you’ve got a ten minute interview recorded, you’ve got a rough paper edit of quotes and you’re spooling through to find that section where she backs up an earlier point, you’re going to splice that baby into a 10-15 minute corporate edit –

how is that happening in FCP X? I’m looking at filmstrip, how do I playback filmstrip? how do I set an out, jkl back for sentence start and set an in? In all states of the browser as shown in the screencaps, whether it’s tiles, list view with one filmstrip, or all film strip, I don’t see how I’m doing one of the most basic required tasks – I mean I can’t go dumping ten minutes on the timeline every time i want to pull a quote.

they had ample opportunity to show setting in and out points in a clip viewer – but from the video the clip viewer is definitely collapsed into the canvas, and I’ve looked long at those screenshots – I don’t see any set in point buttons anywhere on that editing system, all I see are imovie filmstrips and yellow bounding boxes – if this is really how it is – apple are completely out of their minds.

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[Aindreas Gallagher]

yes. this is freaking me out too. even if there are keyboard shortcuts – its seems very cumbersome – mostly because it seems as though they have created this incredibly OTT AB editing precision mode to make the process of clip trimming super intelligible to a non professional user encountering it for the first time.

I think apple are walking out of professional and broadcast and into social media prosumer.

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