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XP software for dual boot on new Intel Macs
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[Bob Cole] “I’m confused here. Do you mean that I need to transfer the license only from a PC that is less than a year old? Or, as was posted later, do you mean that I will just have to go through umpty-ump updates with an older full version?”
Bob, here’s a full FAQ from Apple on Boot Camp / XP Installation. Have you read through this?
https://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303572
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The answer – it depends.
IF you bought the OS preinstalled in the computer, you likely have the OEM version – which is not transferable in to another machine.
If you bought a retail version, you are allowed to install it on other machine assuming this is for personal use and not of business.
Business use needs individual license.
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Bob
I read during the intial furore around Boot Camp that the version of XP HAD to be labelled as SP2 – And specifically that you COULD NOT install an older, SP1 (if you will) version and then upgrade it. Perhaps you know more about this Pete? I read this a few weeks ago…
I realise that for many specialised software companies, Macs DO constitute a considerable portion of sales, but never the less XP has been officially blessed by Apple for installation on their computers within months of starting intel Mac production. Vista is only available in unstable developers releases, and STILL people have got in running relatively easily on Macs.
Just consider for a second that ALL the technical challenges are overcome, and virtualisation (rather than dual booting, which I accept has drawbacks) becomes the norm. I mean, no system, even the blessed OS X, is totally stable at any rate. Under those circumstances I believe that for smaller, more specialised companies, all bets are off for OS X development. That’s all I’m saying. Perhaps it’s fair to say that a lot of this depends on how popular Final Cut becomes, and whether or not a higher-end OSX only solution becomes the industry standard for editing, forcing developers to support the OS by default. You will note that already I am using the phrase “OS X development” rather than “Mac development”. The times they are a-changin’ etc.
BTW – First time I ever saw “Snooker” and “Interesting” in the same sentence, eh Pete? (I think our paths have crossed on the odd snooker tournament in the past).
Ben
Editec Broadcast Editing Ltd
EVS and FCP specialists
Current Mac systems All Dual 2.7Ghz with Kona 2 and Digital Voodoo cards, 6Gb Ram, Sapphire, SCSI320 Medea and Huge Arrays.FCP projects include Sky TV coverage of the Ryder Cup and US Open Golf – Live OB specialists. Edit/slomo vehicle.
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hmmm, maybe I should have started a new thread with my ‘muse’ on Avid and Windows-only development.
Avid has struggled for years trying to sync releases for each OS, feature sets and the like. For example, the OSX version of XpressPro is woefully behind the PC version. Avid has to use valuable resources to code the same features for an OSX version. Now that Apple has opened the door to dual boot systems, I can see Avid cutting costs and focusing on Windows only development…even if you run it on a Mac platform. One of Apple’s advantages with FCP is that they were able to focus on one product and one platform. With the intel based systems and windows on a mac (that just SOUNDS weird), Apple is giving a bit of that advantage back…IMHO.
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
Greybox, LLC
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Hi All,
I feel the need to jump in here and speak for both Kathlyn and myself on this matter.
Kathlyn and I have known David Roth Weiss for years. He is one of the funniest people we have ever met. His sense of humour is one of the most developed we have ever been exposed to and we love being around him because of it.
I know for a fact that David has great respect for anyone with intelligence and that he would be the first person to admit that the reason that Indian companies have succeeded in gaining the contracts that they have is due to their intelligence, ability and determination in going after the business. The fact that it is done using an advantage of pricing it commensurate with a lower cost of living is why companies like Microsoft jump to it. But if the ability wasn’t there, it wouldn’t happen.
Still, the real issue that David was making fun of, from the user’s point of view, is that there is often a language/cultural barrier to be overcome when a stressed out user with a problem begins to try to express what’s happening half a world away on their computer.
You see this language barrier everyday here in the Cow. People try to help others and the language gets in the way. Sometimes, it is very comical to see how it all plays out.
When we first read David’s words, knowing him, both Kathlyn and I almost lost it laughing. At Indians? No. At humanity trying to overcome language and culture under stress. The picture was too funny to ignore and knowing David quite well, we know exactly what he was referring to…
We have people here at the Cow that make video tutorials and have not wanted to originally do so as they were quite concerned that their accent would keep users from understanding them, especially when English is their second language.
If we can never learn to laugh at ourselves and what it means to be human, we are in some really deep doo-doo kids.
Best regards to you all, especially those who try so hard so that you can participate in a community through a language barrier — thank you for your part here.
Ron & Kathlyn Lindeboom
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[Scott Witthaus] ” I can see Avid cutting costs and focusing on Windows only development…even if you run it on a Mac platform.”
Ah, but you’re missing one of the most important parts of the equation. The reason macs are so popular in the creative world isn’t because they’re nice & shiny, it’s because Mac OS X is so much more stable & less prone to conflicts, viruses & bugs than XP is.
[Scott Witthaus] “One of Apple’s advantages with FCP is that they were able to focus on one product and one platform.”
Well, I wouldn’t say that Apple has only 1 product, after all, they also make iPods! 😉
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[Arniepix] ”
Ah, but you’re missing one of the most important parts of the equation. The reason macs are so popular in the creative world isn’t because they’re nice & shiny, it’s because Mac OS X is so much more stable & less prone to conflicts, viruses & bugs than XP is.”Excellent point, but Avid cares not about that…bottom line will look nicer if they focus on one OS, no matter what the platform. That has been proven to its user base many many times.
Now, if we could edit on the iPod….
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
Greybox, LLC
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Having installed XP on my Macbook Pro laptop, I can tell you I had to go get a new copy of XP “With Service Pack 2.” All the older versions of XP I had were pre-SP2. You cannot install XP and then download SP 2 to make this work on bootcamp, or at least that is what the install instructions stated. I have not tried to install an older version of XP and apply SP 2. So either buy a new OEM version for cheap with some ram like I did, or face the possibility of a faulty install.
I installed everything and did all the windows updates and it runs quite well. The switch from XP back to OSX is only a quick 45 second reboot. A few crashes on a few things (but it is Beta software) and need to check if the DVD/CD slot drive is trashing my CD’s. It seems I have an issue there that might require a replacement. Lots of scratches on the CD’s after spinning in the drive for a day.
Otherwise all went well and I like the option of having both OS’s for certain programs I only have on XP.
If you want to read up or post some other questions, I suggest you read the Apple discussion group:
https://discussions.apple.com/category.jspa?categoryID=190Andy
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Ron and Kathlyn,
I totally understand what you’re saying. Wait, not because of what you’ve written, but where I am. I’m not in India at the moment but in another Far Eastern country. And here I’ve spent about a week trying to communicate some intricacies of keycode to the local telecine people. But the language and cultural barriers or rather distances, is making it quite funny and… well interersting.
I guess it must be quite the same for someone calling tech support and having the call routed to another country. I totally understand… now.
Coming back to the topic of XP on new Macs, its still only the minis, iMacs and MacBooks that have this ability. Things will get interesting when the ‘big gun’ Mac desktops attain this ability. When the power of a Quad or ‘octad’ or whatever can run both XP or Vista and OSX simultaneously. It could change how software development is viewed by companies like Avid, Adobe, Sony etc. And if Win-on-a-Mac can work with capture cards from BMD, Aja, etc and Win apps could use XRAIDs and other hardware… maybe by end 06 or at NAB now?
Cheers.
Neil Sadwelkar
from India
but elsewhere now.
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