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Would the real outpoint please stand up
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[Steven Gonzales] “If you snap to the cut point after the middle clip and place an out point, you are actually on the first frame of the next clip. If you mark there, you get 5 secs 1 frame.”
Sorry…not seeing that. I GO TO OUT (mapped on my keyboard) I get the last frame of the middle clip, not the first frame of the next clip. Now, when I hit the down arrow (go to next edit point) I get the first frame of the last shot…as it should work.
Is that what you are doing? Because that isn’t GO TO OUT. BUT…interestingly, when I have the middle clip marked IN and OUT…the down arrow goes to the last frame of the middle clip, not the first frame of the next one. Because it recognizes the out point.
Man, are we nitpicking or what?
Shane
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Sorry Walter. It absolutely does not. Never has. I’ve never seen this behaviour. How exactly are you marking the hole? Every way I mark it it ends up being 5:00. I edit a clip in, the clip is 5:00. Where are you marking the out point? Are you marking it on the beginning of the next clip? That’s not the way the viewer works and it’s not the way the sequence works.
I understand people’s argument that the outpoint should be excluded, not included, but at least it’s consistent across the board.
I can not replicate your test.
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There is no function to jump to the last frame. Maybe that’s the problem people are having. Avid has one, but FCP only has a function to jump to the next edit, which is the first frame. If that is used as an outpoint, it will cover that frame as should be expected.
On avid I had the tab key set to jump to the last AND first frame. So, unlike the up/down arrows, my tab function jumped to the last frame of a clip, then the next press of the tab key moved one frame forward to the beginning of the next clip. FCP only jumps from beginning to beginning to beginning , etc. So if you want to mark clips this way, of course you have to back up one frame.
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[Bret Williams] “So if you want to mark clips this way, of course you have to back up one frame.”
Right, now wouldn’t it be cool if you could mark an out there and the out point would include the frame before the CTI and not after? If you mark in or out at that edit point, it includes the first frame of the next clip which is good for an in point, bad for an out point.
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That’s what it is…the Avid allowed you to map the NEXT EDIT function to be at the first frame of the next clip, or the last frame of the previous clip. I SEE the confusion. Yes, the arrows only jump you to the first frame. BUT, as I said, if you have your IN and OUT points marked, it jumps to them.
Now I see what you guys are talking about.
I still like the outpoint to include the frame I am looking at.
Shane
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My habit is to hit the next edit key and then the back one frame key in rapid succesion. They are handily close on the keyboard. I agree that the better option is for FCP to mark out as the previous frame. I hate redundant key strokes and I can see no reason to mark out on the first frame of the next shot.
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OK guys,
The purpose of my question was to clear up a question I posted on the DVD forum-“In a looping menu I need to pick a specific last frame, so that the loop will be contiguous and smooth,
eg. looping a sequence of a pendulum swinging requires accurate outgoing frame and incoming frame selection.
I’m not familiar with doing this by timecode in FCP.
In FCP, the blue arrowhead marks the outpoint of a clip or sequence,
Does this outpoint include the last frame, or do I need to back up one frame?
The question is now to preserve this accuracy in the mpeg2 file.”How do I avoid a “GOP leap”?
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I’m with you on this Walter….
It’s quite simple to see. If you’re inserting on the timeline and you set an out point then the inserted shot will overlay the frame AFTER the out point.
This is especially annoying if you’re cutting in using the ‘fit to fill’ edit. You’ve got your shot as you want it in the viewer but it needs to fill a bigger hole. You don’t want that camera wobble just after your out point in the viewer, but you DO want all of the frames you’ve selected.
To fill that hole you have to go to the start of the next clip, click back one frame and then set your out point. Then when you make your edit from the viewer the hole will be filled. Sorted.
I can’t understand how this debate has started again… I thought we’d cleared this up in about, ooooh… 2002…!? Next we’ll be moaning about Pinnacle not sorting the Cinewave OSX drivers and being stuck on OS9… hehehe!
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I guess I’ve just gotten used to it being this way in NLE world…
So those of you that don’t like the way FCP does this, what about those times when you need to cut out 1 frame? Isn’t it easier to hit i,o,delete than to hit i, arrow forward, o, delete? Or would you rather have the option to hit i, o and have a 0 frame duration after doing so?
Seems like this is one of those things Apple could write into the prefs if they really wanted to.
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[Steven Gonzales] “Am I crazy, or does anyone else remember Avid having a preference for this situation, where the out mark could be set before the parked frame for out mark, or after? That was many years ago.”
No you’re not crazy. I remember their being a modifier key that enabled you to ‘snap’ the playhead to either the frame before or the frame after an edit. It’s never been an issue for me in FCP though, I just seem to get along with it (and yes, I started in Linear…) though I’ll probably go to pot now y’all have gone and mentioned it 😉
Jason
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