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Would the real outpoint please stand up
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Matt
i think we are saying the saem thing
my timeline outpoint is parked on frame x. when i make an edit, i DO NOT want to erase/cover up/eliminate frame x. I want frame x to become the first frame AFTER my edit. ie fcp now erases the frame you see when you mark out on the timeline. to me this is counter to my desire.
However, since mark clip is usually done to replace, as opposed to marking in and out seperately, which is usually done for inserting or overwriting, I would not mind seeing the beahvior of the outpoint change depending on whether you were marking clip OR markin in and out seperately ie mark clip does Not include the shown frame, but mark out does include the shown frame.
my 2.5 cents
bee eph
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Sorry, I’m with MattyC. It works completely logical and as I expect. Works same way on Avid. I’ve never understood the debate. I guess if it works the way we expect the other argument just doesn’t make any sense. Even though I can see where some have trouble, we really can’t change the way people interpret things. Even if you learn the way FCP sees it, it will always seem like an error. But perhaps it is an error in their thinking and I just happen to think incorrectly as well. Works for me. 🙂
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That’s not what he’s saying. He’s pointing out another issue. When you’re parked on a frame, and press +500 to go ahead and add 5sec to a selection, many people forget that they are already on a selection of the first frame. Can’t make a 0 frame selection. So you now add 5sec to that and you’ve got a duration of 5sec and 1 frame. You can either type +4.29 or type +5. and back up one frame to get a total duration of 5sec in the edit.
Linear edit systems are exclusive for out points. Non-linears systems are inclusive. Perhaps they should called start and end points. Or first and last points.
When we were kids, and we’d have a race, we’d say “on the count of 3… 1..2..3..” and there’d always be some that ran on “3” and others that took off on the beat after 3. 🙂
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[Mattyc] “No frame is getting added. If you have a five second hole between two clips and you mark the in and then hit +500 to move 5 secs you are now parked on the first frame of the next clip.”
No, it is being added. I’m not parked on the first frame of the next clip, the out-point of the edited clip is 1 frame longer than I wanted it to be, that is the edit point into the next shot was moved by one frame.
If you do the test I described above, do the exact same thing, but move the out point back 1 frame from the second clip. Make the Edit. Note that edited clip fills the hole, but it should have left a 1 frame flash frame, but FCP filled the hole with that 1 extra frame of video.
This only affects the Sequences, not the Viewer.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Try this-
“Hey, what’s a frame amongst friends?”
The line I use when I’ve muffed an edit.
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Bob, I will readily admit that I was one of the people to shout you down. TAPE EDITOR! Hee…sorry.
[walter biscardi] “Place two clips in the timeline, and put a 5 second hole between them. Set your In Point / Out Point to fill that hole. Now set an In Point on a clip in the Viewer. Make your Edit. Note that one frame has been added to your Out Point in the timeline.”
Sorry…not seeing that. I have two clips with a 5:00 hole in between. I mark IN at the front of the hole, and an out at the end of the hole…5:00. I drop the clip in, check the duration of the clip I just added and it is 5:00…not 5:01. Am I not getting what you are saying? Because if it went 5:01 I would be driving to Cupertino an pounding on Apple’s door.
It is true that if you mark an IN, type +500 and hit enter, then mark an OUT you have a duration of 5:01. But that is not what you had me do. I have gotten into the habit of going back a frame in that case. And yes, that is annoying.
Shane
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I always saw the logic “in mark begins at front of frame marked, out mark ends at end of frame marked”.
If there’s a 5 second hole in the timeline, and you snap to the beginning, put an in mark, then snap to the end, put an out mark, the ‘in to out’ length shown in the upper left of the canvas is 5.01. So cutting something in there give you 5.01 of length.
Am I crazy, or does anyone else remember Avid having a preference for this situation, where the out mark could be set before the parked frame for out mark, or after? That was many years ago.
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[Steven Gonzales] “If there’s a 5 second hole in the timeline, and you snap to the beginning, put an in mark, then snap to the end, put an out mark, the ‘in to out’ length shown in the upper left of the canvas is 5.01”
I’m not getting this. If there is a 5 second hole in the timeline, the duration is 5:00. I have a clip, then black. I mark IN at the first frame of black…because it is the beginning of the hole. I go to the black frame before the next clip and mark out…I get 5:00.
If you mark IN, then type +500, then mark out…yes, you get 5:01. Is this what you are talking about?
Shane
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Lets simplify it even more. 2 clips with a 5 frame hole in between. If I set my in and out on the timeline to fill the hole the duration field in my canvas window says 5 frames. When I make an edit from the viewer it fills 5 frames just like the duration field said it would. It does not lay down six frames of video. If however I mark in at the first frame of black and move 5 frames down the timeline to where the black ends and mark out the duration field shows me 6 frames. So now if I make an edit from the viewer it’ll will edit in a 6 frame clip since there was a 6 frame duration on my selection. I don’t see an extra frame.
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If you “mark clip” on the middle clip, you get 5secs 0 frames, and the out mark is on the last frame of the middle clip.
If you snap to the cut point after the middle clip and place an out point, you are actually on the first frame of the next clip. If you mark there, you get 5 secs 1 frame.
In Avid there used to be a preference option: if you parked on the first frame of the next clip, the out marker could actually be placed on (thus ending after) the previous frame if you chose that option.
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