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WMV or MP4 export
I cannot seem to get a razor-sharp MP4 export out of Vegas that matches the colors and clarity I see in my preview window when set to “Full/Best.” However, I get exactly what I want to see when exporting to WMV.
My current project was shot/edited in 720/24p/AVC-CAM.
I exported two versions, one using Sony AVC (I tweaked the settings a but to give me a 720/29.97 output) and the other using almost identical settings with WMV.
I watched the MP4 version in Quicktime, VLC, and WMP to make sure I wasn’t crazy. I even watched them side-by-side on Vimeo.
So — what do you all do? MP4 exports? WMV? Has anyone experienced what I am describing?
Dell Studio XPS Core i7 // 860 @ 2.80GHz
Windows Home Premium x64
8GB RAM
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Try sony AVC, Template = Internet 16:9 HD 30p,Custom,
I changed the settings here to 24 (Film) since your footage is 24, raised the bit rate to 10,000,000, in the project tab set to best. This should give you a great picture. Hope this helps, Danny Hays -
Danny – thanks for taking the time to do that. Unfortunately, I was already using those settings. The MP4 has deeper blacks, but the image has a smear to it and a bit of red that is driving me nuts.
The WMV could use a hair more contrast, but the sharpness is perfect.
It’s all making me crazy. =)
Dell Studio XPS Core i7 // 860 @ 2.80GHz
Windows Home Premium x64
8GB RAM
ATI Radeon HD 5700 -
Yea same here even with bitrate of 20,000,000. And it isn\’t using my 460 gpu at all according to gpu-z I think Sony exaggerated the cuda benefits. I\’m exporting mxf 422 and using badaboom to convert to mp4 till I get premier
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I had never heard of Badaboom, it look interesting. I can’t try it out though, as my pc has an ati gpu.
Dell Studio XPS Core i7 // 860 @ 2.80GHz
Windows Home Premium x64
8GB RAM
ATI Radeon HD 5700 -
I just posted a new thread (didn’t see this one). Having this same issue. Seriously, can Sony really expect to ship a “Pro” software that has very poor export options? Surely they realize that everyone isn’t going to be broadcasting their results on TV. We need some decent options for outputting video for web and other stuff.
I love Vegas’ interface, but as I said in my new thread, nothing’s improved over 2 versions now! I’m going to have to consider Premiere for full integration with Soundbooth and my other Adobe products. Rendering everything twice as you guys have suggested just seems unacceptable for a product of this sort.
–Tevya
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Well I had a hell weekend trying to get Vegas to work but I learned a lot.
One thing is always render in the highest quality codec you can. The sony AVC just sucks.. who cares if it is way faster if its ugly? it was only good for very quick preview quality renders where I just wanted to see the final project.
I recommend to render AT LEAST to the sony MXF 422 or main profile. These are very high quality and most encoders can read them.
I use handbrake which can see about anything.
I honestly just render straight to uncompressed AVI but it takes a lot longer for the destination hard drive to keep up so you will get a faster render with a more compressed codec but I like to switch the project over to 32 bit and render to something that can take advantage of that.. I got a few other codecs that I am going to play with.. anyone ever use cineform? I’ll look into after I figure stuff out.
Just returned my 460 and got a 560 so I am looking to see if that helps any with editing and rendering but I doubt it.
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I think we should all complain, or start some kind of petition to Sony. Many of us have paid for multiple upgrades over the years, but they continue to give us crap output. I’ve been using Vegas 8 Pro until I got the trial of 10 today, and many of the settings haven’t changed a bit in the 2+ years. And the quality of these codecs is exactly the same!
They need to understand that having to render, then re-compress with separate software is unacceptable!
–Tevya
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There’s an excellent (and long) on the Sony Vegas forum called Vegas to Youtube, Vimeo, Web — A New Look that all of you should have a look at as it goes into great detail on this issue.
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Thanks for this. I found the Internet HD 16:9 720-30p and am now getting very nice results from it.
–Tevya
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No… I think it is normal…. If you want quality h.264 or WMV or whatever you CAN NOT get that while rendering. Rendering and compressing are completely separate. You can not get a high quality final compression with out the compression algorithm looking at the whole video stream. The best high quality codecs used in bluray and other formats are done from super high bit rate or uncompressed footage. You need to use a program that can do quality based VBR or 2 pass encoding with very long look ahead technology. When you render it cant look ahead until you have rendered the frames… so in effect it isnt any faster or slower to render and compress at the same time. It just slows down both processes cause the cpu has to switch process too often and leaves you with inferior render and compression. Besides Don’t you want to look at the full 100% quality of what you worked on, even if it is going on youtube? That way at least YOU saw the original perfect master BEFORE you compressed it 10 or 100:1.
We can’t complain, it is doing the best it can… I am sure there is a way to use x.264 with Vegas if you really want high quality compression, but Sony can’t make a codec that good for free.
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