“Why I like Premiere Pro” – looking for serious discussion

[Oliver Peters]

[Jim Wiseman] “I really can’t see how one compares Pixelmator and Serif software with FCPX.”

All these apps appeal to creative enthusiasts and in the case of FCP X, Motion and Pixelmator, they continue to be top grossers in the App Store. FCP X and the still image programs appeal to a growing market and are intrinsically locked to the Mac OS core technologies.

[Jim Wiseman] “I can’t believe too many people run out and buy tricked out Mac Pros or MacBook Pros to run Pixelmator.”

I doubt that the majority of FCP X users are running on top-of-the-line machines either.

[Jim Wiseman] “OSX advances are automatically leveraged in FCPX, Motion, and Compressor for that matter. “

Yes and no. I’ve already heard from developers that Metal breaks things that the FCP X ecosystem ties into. So some of the FCP X feature development cycles are gone in an effort to keep up with the OS changes.

[Jim Wiseman] “I’ve seen no official 10 Year Plan announced anywhere else”

To my knowledge that’s what was stated in the original presentations. But I have nothing to point to unless someone wants to dig up videos of the original SuperMeet presentation to see for sure.

[Jim Wiseman] “the fact that FCPX is non-rental and my projects will be viable without further payment with nothing disappearing makes my choice easy”

Haven’t you beaten that horse to death 🙂

[Jim Wiseman] “More likely we will see quite a few companies now making PC’s no longer in that business. Apple without computers is not going to happen. One thing you can be sure of, Apple will still be in business and one of the world’s largest, most profitable companies”

I agree that’s quite likely, but never say never. I think most users thought Apple would continue to make towers longer than they did. As someone who has helped set up facilities, I can certainly point to customers who were burned by relying on Xserve, Xserve RAID and Final Cut Server. In fact, one of the clients I routinely edit for (a broadcast group), went to PC and Adobe because of their dealings with Apple. Buying and building a business around Apple products can be a very good bet – IF you get in at the right time in the cycle – and, IF you are willing to retool every few years. Some people are cool with that and others aren’t.

– Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com

[Jim Wiseman]

That horse continues to be eating the hay, and is the only reason I dropped Premiere in the first place. Edited one project on CS6 and was looking forward to the next version. A horse that I wish I could beat to death, yet it continues to live. I’m not the only one trying to kill it.

Can’t believe that Metal wouldn’t be of great use to any app that requires rendering as FCPX certainly does. Adobe at the El Capitan event said it sped up many rendering functions in AE by 8x, which they demonstrated. For it not to be an advantage to Apple’s code in FCPX seems hard to believe. Have to admit that there will be some disruption before everything gets sorted out though. I also must admit I bought the MacBook Pro so that it would come with Yosemite, which I have debugged for my workflow. I’m sure the advantages of Metal will be more than worth it eventually.

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems

[Andrew Kimery]

[Jim Wiseman] “For it not to be an advantage to Apple’s code in FCPX seems hard to believe.”

I think Oliver’s point is that apps (including FCP X) will need to be coded to take advantage of Metal and time spent coding for Metal is time not spent on other features.

[Jim Wiseman]

I’m sure that is the case, Andrew. Adobe must be spending time on Metal coding as well. The AE demo was pretty convincing. I think both companies will be spending time on coding for Metal that will have big payoffs but will also have to give up engineering time that could be used to develop new features. I just find it hard to believe that Apple, after moving to Metal, would not take advantage of it in FCPX. I also doubt that development of FCPX is not moving ahead.

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems

[Bill Davis]

The Rubes.
Interesting idea.
The Carnys take their money and laugh at them.
The “Rubes” go home a little poorer sure. – but with some memories of the flashy lights – go back to useful work, likely a wife and kids – and build a life.
The Carnys get in a trailer – move town to town – stick only with their own kind – and hope their circus doesn’t go bust.
Cuz the Carny EXISTS exclusively to take money from the Rubes. In exchange for as little return value as they can give back in exchange.

Proud to hang with the “Rubes” I guess.

A life paying rent to the carny owners… and who needs that?

; )

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[Jim Wiseman]

4444

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems

[Eric Santiago]

As I check in this post time to time the bugs in Premiere CC 2014 is starting to get to me.
Im glad Im not in it as much as the editor but I cant fathom editing another feature in this version.
Keep in mind these bugs do have other culprits in hand such as Resolve and REDCINE-X.
I know for a fact that I didnt run into any round-trip issues with FCPX/Avid when it comes to big projects.

[Andrew Kimery]

[Jim Wiseman] “4444”

The original ProRes release w/FCP 6 didn’t include 4444 or Proxy (those came later with FCP 7).

[Shawn Miller]

[Oliver Peters] “In fact, one of the clients I routinely edit for (a broadcast group), went to PC and Adobe because of their dealings with Apple.”

I know of two agencies in town that did the same thing. They were due for hardware and software refreshes and they went PC/Avid or PC/Adobe instead of Apple/FCPX. Anecdotally, I personally know over a dozen motion graphics and VFX artists who switched from Apple to other PC integrators because they couldn’t get the hardware they wanted from Apple.

Shawn

[Andrew Kimery]

[Shawn Miller] “I know of two agencies in town that did the same thing. They were due for hardware and software refreshes and they went PC/Avid or PC/Adobe instead of Apple/FCPX. Anecdotally, I personally know over a dozen motion graphics and VFX artists who switched from Apple to other PC integrators because they couldn’t get the hardware they wanted from Apple.”

I’m getting flashbacks to 10yrs or so ago when people got fed up dealing with Avid (corporate attitude, support contracts, hardware lock-in, etc.,.) and moved to FCP.