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“Why I like Premiere Pro” – looking for serious discussion
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Not really, Andrew.
What you are describing are regular applied keywords. Smart collections are based on rules you set up and require no action on the editors part. A smart collection for say “Audio” or “Red Files shot on Thursday” just automatically contain anything that meets the rules.
And metadata in X flows downstream and is cumulative.
What you apply in your storyline does not flow back upstream to alter the master with a few exceptions like compound clips.
If you place a color clip into a project and decide to make it black and white – the desaturation ONLY effects the project clip. If you place the same clip into another project it’s still in color.
If you want to make the clip globally black and white – you apply the desaturation upstream in the event – and then the metadata change flows to all uses until you go back upstream and remove the effect.
Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.
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Eh…..and then there is that subscription thing. Which puts it at the back of
the pack of NLE’s by two county leagues (that’s like almost 6 miles).In all honesty, NLEs are kind of like cameras. They all have stengths and
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Back to original premise (boy do these threads fly off into a ditch)
Why I like Premiere
The simplest answer is – it is FCP 7 on steroids.
I was a whiz at FCP 7 – could use the keyboard with my eyes closed…it did everything nicely but play well with all formats – and the incessant rendering
Premiere Pro CC – and 6 to an extent – although CC versions are light years better and more feature packed – is what I suspect most FCP 7 editors were looking for in FCP 8.
Clip collisions a problem? Not for any editor I know — easily prevented – but FCP X was built with what appeared to be the solution to this dreaded non-issue.
If you’ve edited on FCP 7 – I can have you editing in Premiere Pro – using the same keyboard shortcuts (they let you select them) in less than an hour
no transcoding
great audio mixer
great roundtripping for audio and effects cleanup
great output to a variety of different codecs – all in the background while you continue working (yes I know FCP X does this but am pretty sure it’s not a background function – that it stops when you stress the machine in editing or anything computing intensive – maybe wrong – please correct if I am.)Bottom Line — if you liked FCP 7 and are proficient – this is a very easy switch with the advantage of editing anything in any timeline quickly.
Andy Field
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[Andy Field] “Bottom Line — if you liked FCP 7 and are proficient – this is a very easy switch with the advantage of editing anything in any timeline quickly.
“And under Adobe there’s a long developing path for the software, while the same isn’t true of Apple – the only thing they did was to give X a ten year life plan.
https://blogs.adobe.com/premierepro/2015/09/premiere-pro-cc-ibc.html
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Sorry, my original response was cut off somehow when I posted.
I have edited it to include the part that was cut off.As to FCPX and if it can output while you continue to edit…yeah you can.
There are two ways to output, one using the ‘share’ menu and another by
exporting to Compressor.Gabe Strong
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[Christian Schumacher] ” the only thing they did was to give X a ten year life plan.”
…of which we’ve just entered Year 5.
It’s worth noting that, midway through FCP’s 12-year life, all of its major features were more or less in place. Multicam was the last big one, in 2005.
Pro Res came 2 years later of course, but, not to diminish its importance, it’s a bit of a stretch to call it a feature. More of a codec, or at best a workflow support platform.*
This is pretty typical of Apple’s pattern. Ship wet, dry quickly with front-loaded development, then solidify on a slow march offstage.
Following the same pattern, there might be one more major feature plus a workflow enhancement along the way, but really, barring an unprecedented shift in strategy, we’ve seen juuuuuust about all the major feature development from X that we’re likely to see.
For the multitudes, the current feature set is clearly enough. Godspeed to you, my friends, with highest hopes for Send to Motion someday.
(Is Send to Motion a feature or a workflow enhancement? I’m thinking “feature,” and I’d be fine if this was the last major feature to be implemented before we say goodbye.)
However, the contrast with the scope, scale, and pace of Adobe’s development couldn’t possibly be more stark.
*It’s worth noting that Pro Res was a variation on DNxHD, which Avid released 4 years earlier. Same compression technology, same workflow…oops, except Apple forgot to support alpha channels.
So, following the same pattern, whichever new workflow paradigm Apple will introduce in the next phase of X’s life already exists somewhere else, and will be implemented with at least one important component missing. LOL
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[Tim Wilson] “…of which we’ve just entered Year 5.
It’s worth noting that, midway through FCP’s 12-year life, all of its major features were more or less in place. Multicam was the last big one, in 2005.”When I’ve spoken to various software developers who sell through the Mac App Store, they seem to plan on about 2 years of ongoing development. Then that’s it, except for maintenance releases. The reason is because there’s no more money to be had. I’m not saying that those same numbers are in play with Apple and FCP X, but I’ve got to believe some variation of that thinking is a factor.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Oliver Peters] “When I’ve spoken to various software developers who sell through the Mac App Store, they seem to plan on about 2 years of ongoing development. Then that’s it, except for maintenance releases. The reason is because there’s no more money to be had.”
I have to disagree a bit here. The universities and media departments of other schools are cranking out new young media artists and editors at a very rapid clip. The media school here at the University of Hawaii is one of the most popular programs there. I’m sure that is true all over the country. Look at the popularity of DSLR video and other affordable camera sales. This is an expanding market, not one that once you have sold an app with a specific function to the members of an existing market your sales are basically finished.
FCPX is uniquely positioned due to its affordability and ease of use to appeal to that expanding market. Not to mention the continued popularity of the Mac showing year over year growth, unlike many other manufacturers products. Apple has a good reason to keep FCPX moving ahead. It builds the brand, creates a user base, and sells computers. The dollars come from the Macs and the App Store. Can’t see FCPX compared to often single or limited function apps sold there.
Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems -
[Jim Wiseman] “The media school here at the University of Hawaii is one of the most popular programs there. I’m sure that is true all over the country. Look at the popularity of DSLR video and other affordable camera sales. This is an expanding market, not one that once you have sold an app with a specific function to the members of an existing market your sales are basically finished.”
While that’s true, the dynamics that affect FCP X are the same dynamics that affect Pixelmator and Serif, too. The point is, FCP X can continue to sell just fine “as is” with no new features to speak of, for the remainder of the 10-year plan.
[Jim Wiseman] ” Apple has a good reason to keep FCPX moving ahead. It builds the brand, creates a user base, and sells computers. The dollars come from the Macs and the App Store. Can’t see FCPX compared to often single or limited function apps sold there.”
Apple has a terrible track record of moving anything ahead indefinitely. For all we know, Apple’s plan 5 years from now might no longer include computers. It might only be cars, watches and phones.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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[Oliver Peters] “While that’s true, the dynamics that affect FCP X are the same dynamics that affect Pixelmator and Serif, too. The point is, FCP X can continue to sell just fine “as is” with no new features to speak of, for the remainder of the 10-year plan.”
I really can’t see how one compares Pixelmator and Serif software with FCPX. It is much more permanently and inextricably tied to the Apple ecosystem (which I vastly prefer) than those two marginally market penetrating still image programs. I can’t believe too many people run out and buy tricked out Mac Pros or MacBook Pros to run Pixelmator. My new MacBook Pro, loaded, arrives today, BTW. Very anxious to see FCPX run on it, from what I have read, it screams. Metal is on the way with El Capitan. So much for no further development. OSX advances are automatically leveraged in FCPX, Motion, and Compressor for that matter. And as much as I respect Tim’s opinion, I’ve seen no official 10 Year Plan announced anywhere else. If it does evolve in another five years I will be happy to see where it goes.
Regarding the Elephant that is obviously taking up most of the room, the fact that FCPX is non-rental and my projects will be viable without further payment with nothing disappearing makes my choice easy. Even if I didn’t prefer it to Premiere.
BTW, I never used FCP7 to any extent but relied on Media 100 and Avid Media Composer, so I don’t miss it’s pay forever replacement.
[Oliver Peters] “For all we know, Apple’s plan 5 years from now might no longer include computers. It might only be cars, watches and phones.”
More likely we will see quite a few companies now making PC’s no longer in that business. Apple without computers is not going to happen. One thing you can be sure of, Apple will still be in business and one of the world’s largest, most profitable companies.
Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems
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