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Why does Panic and Paranoia Rule some “Pros”?
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[Chris Kenny] “[Christian Kinnard] “You don’t see basic need to have the canvas and the viewer up at the same time when picking points?”
Not especially, no.”
So, if Resolve took away your ability to split the frame your coloring to compare the preceding clip (or another), you’d just chalk it up to the genius “revolution” of Blackmagic? You wouldn’t say why did you take that away, what did it hurt?
Real world scenario, just a couple of weeks ago. Say I’m sitting with a director watching dailies. He want’s me to cut in a clip. I know there is a continuity problem. I say “there’s a continuity problem”, and like many directors they’ll say “I want to see it anyway”. At two in the morning, I don’t want to cut a clip in that I know won’t work. Canvas/Viewer, side by side, obvious, moving on. Now you might say toggling is just as easy. To normal people like you and I maybe. But let’s be honest, most directors/producers aren’t normal people, and imagination in these terms escapes them. Back to my original argument: I am fine with change, but with change on one side of me and a rock on the other side of me, I have to ask “did they really think about the professional editor”.
Just one specific example that “us people” seem to be excluding. Now there are many real life scenarios I played out in my head over the past two weeks. I know it seems like a small point, but these things add up. I might very well feel differently if I were in a room by myself most of the time. I have not doubt FCP X will be great for some people. Working on a feature in a room with the same people for 4-6 months, I want speed and precision. Proclaiming they are going to revolutionize the industry when they failed to take into account peoples needs peripheral to the editor is a stretch.
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[Christian Kinnard] “At two in the morning, I don’t want to cut a clip in that I know won’t work. Canvas/Viewer, side by side, obvious, moving on. Now you might say toggling is just as easy. To normal people like you and I maybe. But let’s be honest, most directors/producers aren’t normal people, and imagination in these terms escapes them.”
This feels like a fairly unusual circumstance.
And it’s worth noting that with Auditions, cutting in the other clip, and then reverting the edit when it was obvious it did’t work, would take several fewer steps than in FCP 7.
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@Dave LaRonde
I work at a post house with 5 seats (3 FCP 2 Smoke). Most suites have a Beta Deck or a Digibeta deck. Mine happens to have both. We do our fair share of delivery to cable and network affiliates. Today I was in edit sessions all day and yesterday I was in sessions for half the day. I did not have to turn on my decks once. In fact, I’d hardly use my decks at all anymore if it weren’t for the fact that our facility master’s everything to digibeta for back up purposes, I would rarely have to turn my decks on at all. Most of our clients have moved to tapeless shooting formats.
Most of the time while I’m editing I don’t need all of the functions my edit suite is capable of. Certain things simply go unused for weeks…sometimes months at a time.
I think that’s part of Kenny’s larger point.
-mattyc
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[Chris Kenny] ”
New York is not the world.”Thousands of Manhattanites just flinched at those words and turned toward Chris Kenny with a puzzled look.
-mattyc
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[Chris Kenny] “This feels like a fairly unusual circumstance.”
Easy way out. Instances like that are not unusual at all, which was the point of my posts. If you think like that, I wouldn’t be surprised if you were on the FCPX development team.
And no, using auditions is not several fewer steps. I explored that avenue.
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[Chris Kenny] “Does it really seem appropriate to you for someone who represents himself as a moderator in this forum to step in at every mention of a particular poster’s name and provide a little light character assassination?”
This is not character assassination Mr. Kenny, this is a factual assessment of the ongoing style of argumentation you’ve delivered on this forum since day #1. And, as one of the forum leaders, not a moderator, I would be remiss if I didn’t point out the unfairness of your arguments and your constant badgering of those who disagree with you when they use the same tactics you regularly employ.
Trust me, if I were a moderator you would have been “moderated” quite a while back. It’s actually Cow policy to avoid formal moderation whenever possible. But, that doesn’t mean it’s open season here either.
As the big Cow at the owner of these great forums once said to me, “It’s the tall trees that catch the most wind.” So, think about that – if you intend to be among the most vocal on this forum, you’d best argue fairly and not to berate those who disagree with you, unless you’re prepared to be called out for both. And, I will do it as often as necessary until you either stop, get fed up and leave, or get the boot from on high.
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[Chris Kenny] “This feels like a fairly unusual circumstance.”
I think if you’re making serious money in this industry, your work was full of fairly unusual circumstances. If your work consists of only usual circumstances, then you’re probably not adding as much value as people who face unusual circumstances, and FCPX 10.0 may just suit you fine.
FCP used to be flexible enough to cover a really broad range of niche markets. FCPX 10.0 is not. This is part of what people are upset about. Their workflow (which they may or may not have control over) has been disrupted.
A lot of your arguments may be absolutely true, but they’re also totally beside the point. I’m sure that FCPX 10.1 will offer way more functionality than FCPX 10.0 — but 10.1 isn’t shipping yet. I’m sure that FCPX will sell a zillion copies — but maybe not to the people here on the board. The broadcast market may be a tiny niche to you and to Apple — but not to the people making their living in it. Tape and film may be dead to you and to Apple — but there are still people who must work with them every day.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
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[David Roth Weiss] “This is not character assassination Mr. Kenny, this is a factual assessment of the ongoing style of argumentation you’ve delivered on this forum since day #1. And, as one of the forum leaders, not a moderator, I would be remiss if I didn’t point out the unfairness of your arguments and your constant badgering of those who disagree with you when they use the same tactics you regularly employ. “
You are not exactly making objective statements here. Some other posters appear to appreciate my posts, for instance.
Look, something about me rubs you the wrong way. Fine. But it’s kind of silly that you seem to have taken it upon yourself to go around commenting to third-parties about my posting style, instead of actually engaging with my arguments in some meaningful way.
But whatever. Meta-debating is always boring. I’m done with this particular exchange.
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[Walter Soyka] “This is part of what people are upset about. Their workflow (which they may or may not have control over) has been disrupted.”
I get that completely. What bugs me is that people keep saying, basically, “There’s something wrong with this app” when what they really mean is “This app doesn’t fit the editing style I’ve developed over years of using apps that work differently”.
[Walter Soyka] “The broadcast market may be a tiny niche to you and to Apple — but not to the people making their living in it. “
My purpose in bringing up the size of the broadcast market has not been to tell people in that market that it doesn’t matter. That would be silly. It has been to explain why Apple might have elected to ship the initial release of FCP X without certain features required by that market, and how that doesn’t constitute Apple abandoning ‘pros’ or retargeting the app primarily at ‘consumers’.
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Digital Workflow/Colorist, Nice Dissolve.You should follow me on Twitter here. Or read our blog.
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[David Roth Weiss] “So, think about that – if you intend to be among the most vocal on this forum, you’d best argue fairly and not to berate those who disagree with you, unless you’re prepared to be called out for both.”
To be fair, there are several other very outspoken individuals on this forum who have used/are using some of the very same tactics you are accusing Chris of. I haven’t seen you once call any of them out (though I have not read every comment you’ve posted on this forum). But I have seen more than a couple instances of you calling Chris out on things.
It’s argumentation…EVERYONE cherry picks. It’s how people build a case for anything they believe/hope for/have faith in.
“Everybody thinks their opinion is the right one. If they didn’t, they would get a new one.” -anne lamott
-mattyc
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