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Why does Panic and Paranoia Rule some “Pros”?
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[Gary Hazen] “As Chris Kenny says (over an over again), this will be fixed when Apple releases their API. Companies from around the globe will rush in and fix all the problems in a matter of weeks.”
Good of you to post this observation Gary. Mr. Kenny’s modus operandi is becoming apparent to more people on the Cow every day.
And, just to be perfectly clear, it’s not the content of his arguments or his POV that’s offensive, but rather his methods. Mr. Kenny constantly predicts the future when it suits him, but belittles others who do the same or who may disagree with his own interpretation of the tea leaves.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
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[Herb Sevush] “Well Apple has just reversed that trend.”
We’ll see. Personally, I think Apple will take some short-term losses over this, but they won’t be nearly as apocalyptic as some are predicting, and they’ll mostly be to Premiere, which is much more friendly than Media Composer for an FCP 7 editor.
As I posted over on RedUser, Avid, somewhat bizarrely, could end up being the big loser in all of this in the long run. Premiere still mostly isn’t taken seriously in high-end circles. If some high-end shops switch to it from FCP 7, that could change, leaving Avid up against two very serious competitors with more modern apps and deeper pockets, once FCP X’s feature set is a little more fleshed out.
[Herb Sevush] “This is where we fundamentally disagree – the phrase “(frankly more important) technical features.” “
I was referring to GPU acceleration being more important than 64-bit, not being the most important thing in the universe.
(Media Composer does have some GPU acceleration, by the way, but nothing as comprehensive as what Adobe and now Apple have.)
[Herb Sevush] “Which is why they still rule the roost in this area, declining market share, stodgy interface and all.”
By what metric do they “rule”?
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By what metric do they “rule”?
Look Chris, as I said I’m not that fond of Avid, but you’d have to be blind deaf and stupid, and I don’t think your the latter, not to notice that once you take the L train into the city, the overwhelming number of editing facilities catering to the broadcast market in NY are Avid based. If I were still a freelancer I would have to know how to cut on an Avid or else I’d starve. FCP was catching up, but if you don’t think this re-tooling isn’t going to grind that to a halt, there’s a big stone bridge I’d like to sell you.
Herb Sevush
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[Herb Sevush] “Look Chris, as I said I’m not that fond of Avid, but you’d have to be blind deaf and stupid, and I don’t think your the latter, not to notice that once you take the L train into the city, the overwhelming number of editing facilities catering to the broadcast market in NY are Avid based. If I were still a freelancer I would have to know how to cut on an Avid or else I’d starve. FCP was catching up, but if you don’t think this re-tooling isn’t going to grind that to a halt, there’s a big stone bridge I’d like to sell you.”
The big NYC post houses mostly support FCP and Avid — they have to, because it’s not uncommon for them to get online edit work for projects that have been independently offlined in either environment. As a consequence of this dynamic I’m guessing it won’t be as long as people expect before major post houses start adding FCP X seats.
Indie features seem to overwhelmingly be on Final Cut these days.
I have little direct contact with what broadcasters do in-house. I don’t have trouble believing NY-based broadcasters are still mostly on Avid, but they’re the tip of the tip of the market.
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[Chris Kenny] “Do you believe a majority of current FCP users deliver work for broadcast?”
Have you ever heard the old adage “no need to throw out the baby with the bath water?”
You can’t and shouldn’t expect that a rather large percentage of users at every level do not share your zeal and instead feel ripped-off in some way by Apple’s decision to chuck out things at the very heart of the toolset they depend upon for their livelihoods.
Out of the purported 2-million FCP users (pre FCP X), who’ve experienced a lengthy wait and the pent-up demand that was fueled by Apple, it’s hardly the broadcast crowd that are the only ones disappointed. You just like to harp on that sub-culture because it supports your argument and because you think it bolsters your credibility.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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Indie features seem to overwhelmingly be on Final Cut these days.
I don’t doubt it. The Indie Film market is who FCPX was aimed at – because, generally speaking, their films will end up with a youtube release.
But let me put it another way – if you add up the salaries paid to all the editors working on Avids in feature films and broadcasting in New York, I think it would dwarf the income of the FCP crowd working in that market. How’s that for a condescending unprovable supposition.
Herb Sevush
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[David Roth Weiss] “Out of the purported 2-million FCP users (pre FCP X), who’ve experienced a lengthy wait and the pent-up demand that was fueled by Apple, it’s hardly the broadcast crowd that are the only ones disappointed. You just like to harp on that sub-culture because it supports your argument and because you think it bolsters your credibility.”
You continuously make these sorts of meta-arguments to try to discredit me. It’s really kind of silly.
In any event, my position on this market definition issue is best articulated here.
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I can answer the subject question in four words: people’s livelihoods are involved.
Cinematographer – Editor – Motion Graphics Artist – Colorist
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[Herb Sevush] ”
I don’t doubt it. The Indie Film market is who FCPX was aimed at – because, generally speaking, their films will end up with a youtube release.”I’m talking about mostly Red/Alexa shoots in the $100K to $1M range here, not DSLR projects destined for YouTube. (Not that spending a quarter million bucks exactly guaranties distribution these days.)
[Herb Sevush] “But let me put it another way – if you add up the salaries paid to all the editors working on Avids in feature films and broadcasting in New York, I think it would dwarf the income of the FCP crowd working in that market. How’s that for a condescending unprovable supposition.”
That’s very possibly true. But New York is not the world.
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[David Roth Weiss] “Good of you to post this observation Gary. Mr. Kenny’s modus operandi is becoming apparent to more people on the Cow every day.
And, just to be perfectly clear, it’s not the content of his arguments or his POV that’s offensive, but rather his methods. Mr. Kenny constantly predicts the future when it suits him, but belittles others who do the same or who may disagree with his own interpretation of the tea leaves.”
Does it really seem appropriate to you for someone who represents himself as a moderator in this forum to step in at every mention of a particular poster’s name and provide a little light character assassination?
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Digital Workflow/Colorist, Nice Dissolve.You should follow me on Twitter here. Or read our blog.
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