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What exactly is Media Management? (Premiere is lacking this….people say)
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Apparently you really do wish to prove the point.
But thanks for looking, anyway.
David
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[David Cherniack] “I guess you know very little about editing large projects with multiple levels of subtimelines. Trim project in my case reduces a 45 hour project to 33 hours. A professional level NLE with media management will reduce my one hour timeline to one hour of material plus change. In my case I have all these sub-timelines because my material was shot double system sound and without media management there’s no way in PPro to combine the material in a lasting way without sub-timelines.”
David…I am not entirely sure what you mean. Multiple sequences with trim with the rest of the project…are your sub-timelines full of that much extra material?
If you have a one-hour timeline, PPro will trim it as you describe…what am I missing?
…and please don’t tell me how I don’t know anything about real work, just stick to the substance of the issue please.
TimK,
Kolb Productions,
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[Tim Kolb] “David…I am not entirely sure what you mean. Multiple sequences with trim with the rest of the project…are your sub-timelines full of that much extra material?
If you have a one-hour timeline, PPro will trim it as you describe…what am I missing?
…and please don’t tell me how I don’t know anything about real work, just stick to the substance of the issue please.”
Tim,
I would never tell you you know nothing about real work and only responded to Lance that way because his post was so completely dismissive of the need for proper media management.
OK, you seem to have missed the explanation of my specific project that was started in 1.5 with the assumption that media management was such an obviously lacking feature that it would be in 2.0. My dumb mistake.
For a one hour documentary most of my material was shot HDV with double-system sound on a very good Sound Devices recorder. The material was ingested as DV to offline – before I had Axio 1.5. The audio files had to be manually synced in timelines with the avi files. Those timelines were then treated as master clip subtimelines and edited into sequences. Those sequences were then incorporated into an assembly timeline. This means that trying to use trim project has very little efficiency as 75% of the material is in timelines. I have no way to replace the downconverted dv material with the HDV source without re-ingesting 75% of the material. Such is my situation without media management.
Jacob didn’t respond to my earlier question whether export to edl recurses into subtimelines to the avi source timecode. That could potentialy save me though I’d have to re-apply all my effects.
Is this more clear?
David
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You know David – you presonally attacked me without knowing anything about me and then you finally give this workflow explanation that is just whacked! I would fire you for attempting to set up a project this way to begin with – not because I don’t like you (which I don’t) but because it would be bad business to let you continue with this workflow. It shows a complete lack of understanding of the software/formats/ and offline/online workflow specially when it comes to HDV and timecode! PPro could easily do what you ask had you set up the project properly to begin with.
Lance Bachelder
Southern California
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Lance,
It ws you who decided to get more than personal but I’ll not be responding to this. It’s not worth the waste of my time.
David
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Wow – please, stick to the topics. E-mail each other directly if you want to be critical of each other – this forum is for sharing kmowledge.
So let me get this straight, if you have nested sequences, unless you trim the sequences to only the material you want to use, the project trimmer retains the entire nested sequences (as it does every sequence.)
What if you make a sub-clip out of your selects from the nested sequences before putting them into the edit you are buidling. Can you even do that? If so, then can you delete the original nested sequence without ruining the subclips? Doesn’t sound very promising.
Mike
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Lance, for the sake of information and education, can you describe for ALL of us the best workflow to deal with a situation similar to what David has. I will be in a similar workflow soon and hope to use PPro 2.0 on my Axio system to accomplish this. I’d like to know the proper workflow for long-form projects, with a lot of source material, being able to consolidate down my unused material as I go if I need the additional room. And then the proper way to batch recapture material in my final sequence only (with handles).
Thanx in advance
LSLarry Sherwood
Sherwood Post Production
Austin, Texas
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[Lance Bachelder] “I would fire you for attempting to set up a project this way to begin with – not because I don’t like you (which I don’t) but because it would be bad business to let you continue with this workflow. It shows a complete lack of understanding of the software/formats/ and offline/online workflow specially when it comes to HDV and timecode! PPro could easily do what you ask had you set up the project properly to begin with.”
Hmmm… Lance, how would you set up a project with double-system sound? This isn’t a waste of time BTW, as HDV MPEG compresses the sound on the videotape.
He did say that this was pre-Axio, so chances are he had to “bump” the HDV to another HD codec inside his system when the “online” was ready to go…not nearly as petite a data footprint as HDV/DV…and editing in HDV native was impossible previous to PPro v2…and not even advisable now…
…and it would benefit everyone if the tone of this conversation got back to business and left the personal stuff out.
So, Lance…do you have an alternative workflow for David?
TimK,
Kolb Productions,
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[Tim Kolb] “He did say that this was pre-Axio, so chances are he had to “bump” the HDV to another HD codec inside his system when the “online” was ready to go…not nearly as petite a data footprint as HDV/DV…and editing in HDV native was impossible previous to PPro v2…and not even advisable now…”
In fact the project is getting ready to go HDV shortly but you are right that it was begun long before axio.
You are are also quite correct that the issue was double system sound. There was no way that I could see to maintain the relationship with the avi files, and their sound, outside of sub-timelines.
And also that recording the dynamic range of Tibetan ritual music was beyond the capabilities of the mpeg1 audio processing of the Sony Z1.
David
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Mike,
The trick is that David was re-syncing what I assume was nearly ALL his footage. To export this as clips would take up the space of the entire project again, but also, he needed to re-capture HDV after doing a DV offline to finish the project, but ideally he would only re-capture what he used on the “Master” timeline.
PPro trims, but counts everything that is on a timeline as used…therefore it won’t do a lot of trimming in his case. I’m assuming that Avid will trim with attention to specific timelines…David can’t delete any timelines either as they’re the basis of his “clips” in his master.
It sounds like the Axio probably solved most of his issue when it allowed him to work with HDV directly?
David?
TimK,
Kolb Productions,
Creative Cow Host,
Author/Trainer
http://www.focalpress.com
http://www.classondemand.net
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