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Activity Forums Adobe Premiere Pro What exactly is Media Management? (Premiere is lacking this….people say)

  • Jacob Rosenberg

    January 17, 2006 at 5:51 pm

    Media Management can be defined a number of ways, but to put it simply:
    Media Management is an architecture in which all your clips that have been captured can be tracked, located, tagged with meta data, etc. Additionally, all your projects can be tracked as to what clips are being used. It is, in essence a way in which you can better protect the files you have on disk from becoming too fragmented (from a project standpoint)and a way in which the media used with your projects can be easily transported from one to another.
    With Avid, you never really see the clip you captured to disk, with the name you assigned during capture, that is because the way that it manages media is by assigning unique tags to every clip so that it can track it internally. Premiere Pro and FCP operate much different than this and are inherently behind the curve when it comes to more efficient methods of media management. I am sure someone else could add more or correct me on a few points.
    jacob

    http://www.premiereprotraining.com
    http://www.formikafilms.com
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  • Larry Sherwood

    January 17, 2006 at 6:06 pm

    Hi Jacob,

    I just wanted to add some specifics:

    the ability to simply do a recapture based on a Sequence allowing users to “Uprez” their footage quickly and easily.

    the ability to Consolidate media in the project allowing you to capture an entire tape as 1 file, create sub clips from that one file in a bin, and then simply have the one large file be broken into individual files representing the sub clips you created in the bin.

    the ability to quickly and easily move Bins, Sequences, Sources, Metadata, between projects, having to import an entire project into another project is just not cutting it.

    the ability to better control rendering, specifically the ability to delete or create individual renders in a sequence.

    These are just a couple of quick specific examples of media management specifics related to an individual PPro system. Theres a whole lot more when you need to share projects with multiple workstations over a network.

    Hope this helps to explain. . .

    LS

    Larry Sherwood
    Sherwood Post Production
    Austin, Texas
    512 219-8721
    larry@sherwoodpost.com

  • Lance Bachelder

    January 17, 2006 at 6:06 pm

    Concur Jacob – and Media Management also includes the ability to consolidate projects, delete unused media, move projects from one to system to another, archive only necessary files once a project is complete These are all things that Premiere Pro does very well – equally as well as Final Cut Pro 5, maybe not quite as well as Avid, but how many of you can afford multiple Avids running on Unity? Not me.

    Could media management be better in Premiere Pro? Of course. But it’s good enough to allow working editors to get jobs done efficiently and not a reason to dock half a star on a review.

    Lance Bachelder
    Southern California
    Cow Forum Host- Magic Bullet

    Apple Dual 2Ghz G5 ATIx800, 2.5GB RAM, OSX Tiger FCP Studio
    Intel P4, 2GB RAM, PNY 6600GT XP Pro – Vegas 6 Studio

  • David Cherniack

    January 17, 2006 at 6:10 pm

    Among other things it gives you the ability to consolidate a project by timeline(s).

    Most projects work towards ending up as one or more timelines depending on the number of versions required. If you need to rez up your material or even just archive the material used in the final timeline(s) you need media management. All professional level NLEs have this ability. PPro is the only one that I’m aware of that doesn’t. (I don’t know about Vegas and Im assuming that FCP has it)

    David
    AllinOneFilms.com

  • Jason J rodriguez

    January 17, 2006 at 6:17 pm

    I personally would like to see timeline decomposition (make all clips in a timeline new independant clips placed in a given bin, but still have the ability to match-frame to the source media), and also the abilty to import media from one sequence into another project (not have to import all the media in a given project).

    Also a neat feature would be the ability to un-nest a sequence-so instead of seeing the nested sequence as one big clip on the timeline, the nested sequence would be gone and you’d see all the clips/layers/etc. of that nested sequence right on the timeline. FCP has this ability if you option-drag one timeline into another timeline.

    Finally I wish there was a way to do a “replace-clip” like After Effects when you option-drag a piece of media onto a layer-the new media takes on all the attributes of the layer including in/out points, filters, etc. It would be a very nice way to quickly swap clips out.

    Thank,

    Jason Rodriguez
    Virginia Beach, VA

  • Lance Bachelder

    January 17, 2006 at 6:28 pm

    You can’t state that ALL professional NLE’s have this and then say you don’t know about Vegas or FCP? 2 of the most popular NLE’s out there!

    This is easy to accomplish in Premiere Pro – when you’ve finished your job – do a save as (new project archive name) then delete all unused sequences if any – then click the REMOVE UNUSED media button and presto – every unused file is gone. You now have a clean project with just the media that is on the timeline or sequence you want to archive – then use the PROJECT MANGER to create a “new trimmed project” of just the media on the timeline – with or without handles – or copy all remaiing files as they are and send them to the disk/location of your choice. You now have a clean archive of your final project that can easily be opened for any revisions or stowed away.

    Lance Bachelder
    Southern California
    Cow Forum Host- Magic Bullet

    Apple Dual 2Ghz G5 ATIx800, 2.5GB RAM, OSX Tiger FCP Studio
    Intel P4, 2GB RAM, PNY 6600GT XP Pro – Vegas 6 Studio

  • David Cherniack

    January 17, 2006 at 6:46 pm

    [Lance Bachelder] “This is easy to accomplish in Premiere Pro -“

    Lance,

    I guess you know very little about editing large projects with multiple levels of subtimelines. Trim project in my case reduces a 45 hour project to 33 hours. A professional level NLE with media management will reduce my one hour timeline to one hour of material plus change. In my case I have all these sub-timelines because my material was shot double system sound and without media management there’s no way in PPro to combine the material in a lasting way without sub-timelines. Of course I could spend two weeks manually replacing the subtimelines. Then trim project would work.

    You’d not reduce the review by .5 for not having media management? If it didn’t hurt so much I’d laugh.

    Oh Yeah,

    A professional level NLE in my books is DEFINED by media management:

    Avid,
    Discreet edit,
    Liquid,
    Velocity,
    (FCP I just haven’t seen it so I don’t know and Vegas I don’t yet consider professional level)

    David
    AllinOneFilms.com

  • Lance Bachelder

    January 17, 2006 at 7:05 pm

    You’re right – I know nothing.

    Personal attacks are easy when you’re way up there in our 51st state.

    Lance Bachelder
    Southern California
    Cow Forum Host- Magic Bullet

    Apple Dual 2Ghz G5 ATIx800, 2.5GB RAM, OSX Tiger FCP Studio
    Intel P4, 2GB RAM, PNY 6600GT XP Pro – Vegas 6 Studio

  • David Cherniack

    January 17, 2006 at 7:13 pm

    [Lance Bachelder] “You’re right – I know nothing.

    Personal attacks are easy when you’re way up there in our 51st state.”

    You might just have proved the point 🙂

    David
    AllinOneFilms.com

  • Lance Bachelder

    January 17, 2006 at 7:27 pm

    Why are you here and not over at the Discreet Edit forum?

    Nice logo and website by the way – that mail order graphic design course really paid off. LOL!

    Lance Bachelder
    Southern California
    Cow Forum Host- Magic Bullet

    Apple Dual 2Ghz G5 ATIx800, 2.5GB RAM, OSX Tiger FCP Studio
    Intel P4, 2GB RAM, PNY 6600GT XP Pro – Vegas 6 Studio

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