Welcome Shane From Outside USA

[Ron Lindeboom]

Wow, not much in the way of expectation, eh?

Do you honestly believe that any user has this kind of pull with Apple? I don’t. I know plenty of users who are VERY well connected at Apple and they do not have this kind of pull. I know companies that work with Apple that do not have this kind of pull.

For its own internal reasonings and machinations, Apple does what it does. They may watch the Creative Cow forums — I know, because we were right across from Apple at NAB this year and so many of their people came over to our booth and talked with us (they even brought over a film crew one day and interviewed us for the Apple internal non-public podcast channel) — but Apple has and will likely always march to the beat of their own drummer.

It is NOT Shane’s job to explain to you what he can or cannot do for you in the position you are in. While I do sympathize with you in your plight, and I am sure that Shane does also, we do not pretend that we have some magic conduit into the Apple brain-trust and can tell them what to do.

I am sorry that you are in the position that you are in but dumping it all at Shane’s feet and demanding an answer as to what he is going to do for you is not only unrealistic but quite disrespectful.

That’s my two cents…

Ron Lindeboom
creativecow.net

[Jan Crittenden livingston]

Hi Tim,

While I can fully understand your situation, I can also say that it is not Shane’s nor anyone at the Cow’s job to influence Apple. Most manufacturers do want to make products that customers want and for the 4 days I was a NAB, when someone started to pour out a similar problem to me, I directed them to Apple as only they will do something different if they are convinced that customers want it.

If I took lots of notes and then forwarded them to Apple telling them that Tim Maloney really wanted this feature set, they would take it in but I think straight from the customer is vastly more effective. So here I suggest that you make your request at Apple directly. And this is true for all of the folks that find a feature that they would like Apple to add.

Best regards,

Jan

Jan Crittenden Livingston
Product Manager, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100
Panasonic Broadcast & TV Systems

[Shane Ross]

While at NAB I met the project leaders for FCP, Motion and Shake at the FCPUG Supermeet. I asked them the same question…when will we see DVCPRO HD 25p support? All they said (and can say) is that “we are working on it.”

So they know the issue and they are working on a solution. When? Apple never says. Sorry I cannot offer any more of an answer than that.

Shane

Alokut Productions
http://www.lfhd.net

[Uli Plank]

Hi Tim,

while I have exactly the same complaints regarding Apple, I can only second the answers you’ve got here. It doesn’t work like this. Let all of us PAL folks ( and there are billions in China 😉 ) bomb Apple with our requests, but not this forum.

We have told them that we are about to switch a whole facility in TV education to PC, since even Premiere Pro with Raylight can already process 720p50 from the HVX 200 while FCP can’t. And we were the first arts school in Germany to switch to Apple about 20 years ago!

Regards,

Uli

Author of “DVDs gestalten und produzieren”, a book on professional DVD-authoring in German.

[Tim Maloney]

Hello all,

Shane wrote

“While at NAB I met the project leaders for FCP, Motion and Shake at the FCPUG Supermeet. I asked them the same question…when will we see DVCPRO HD 25p support? All they said (and can say) is that “we are working on it.”

So they know the issue and they are working on a solution. When? Apple never says. Sorry I cannot offer any more of an answer than that.”

Theres what I am looking for, I wasn’t asking for you to become my/our personal advocate. Thanks for asking them

We’ll watch with interest what Apple does, Perhaps as Uli did we should report the failed pitches to production companies as a result of Apples lack of support.

BTW 12 or so HVX Cameras arrived in Australia for Dealers to demo last month. Perhaps as the critical mass of them increases we will see pressure mount.

Its been over a year since the 1200A Deck came out.

Thanks Shane

[Gary Adcock]

[Shane Ross] “While at NAB I met the project leaders for FCP, Motion and Shake at the FCPUG Supermeet. I asked them the same question…when will we see DVCPRO HD 25p support? All they said (and can say) is that “we are working on it.””

Tim,
I too did the same thing, both in person and on video at the “send a message to ProApps booth” in the hallway (done on a HVX 200)

I have been beating on the 25p issues with Apple for almost 3 years. Blame the EU for not determining (accepting) a “standard” for 720p25 until after the first version of the Varicam / DVCPROHD / HVX200 were in development.

Shane is a excellent resource, and personal friend and to “welcome” him in such a manner does all of us a disservice.
Apple listens but not necessarily to any of us. But what have you done to talk to apple on your own behalf.

gary

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows
Chicago, IL
gary@studio37.com

[Tim Maloney]

Thanks Gary,

I have made representations to Apple Australia, At a SMPTE conference in Singapore – plenty of times.

Yourself and Shane are to be congratulated on your representations at NAB. Looking at my original post I would soften it If I was to write it again. No offense intended Shane.

We can make so little noise out here to rattle Apple Amerca’s cage other than go public in forums such as the COW right under their nose. Perhaps in the future with less vigour.

Point Taken

Tim

[Shane Ross]

I took no offence at all. I figured that you just made a mistaken assumption that I had pull at Apple or Steve Job’s ear (not in a bucket or anything!).

No biggie to me.

Shane

Alokut Productions
http://www.lfhd.net

[Toke]

Considering how long we Europeans have been eg. without 4:2:0 chroma smoothing in FCP, why Panasonic chose not to develop dvcprohd@25p qt-codecs by itself and offer them to their customers (like me)?
This should have happen over a year ago…

[Jan Crittenden livingston]

[toke lahti] “Considering how long we Europeans have been eg. without 4:2:0 chroma smoothing in FCP, why Panasonic chose not to develop dvcprohd@25p qt-codecs by itself and offer them to their customers (like me)?
This should have happen over a year ago…”

Hi Uli,

Normally I understand your requests, but this one I do not. Why not start a new thread with this one. But before your do, I will tell you that DVCPRO HD at 50mbps looks awful, that was were we started in 1997 and felt if there was ever to be market share 100mbs was the lowest that we could take it and be frame independent. DVCPRO HD at 25 would be really unacceptable, and if that is the gist of your post don’t bother starting a new thread. Keep in mind that the DVCPRO codec in PAL land is 4:1:1.

Best,

Jan

Jan Crittenden Livingston
Product Manager, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100
Panasonic Broadcast & TV Systems