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[James Ewart] “I agree it’s a slightly tired debate and apologise for taking it that route.”
Almost as tired as the endless speculation about sales figures
No sig on my posts as it’s apparently very old fashioned
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[James Ewart] “I agree it’s a slightly tired debate and apologise for taking it that route.”
[Steve Connor] “Almost as tired as the endless speculation about sales figures”
I wonder how many copies Apple have sold to Luddites.
I bought a license, so presumably at least one…
Walter Soyka
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[Steve Connor] “Almost as tired as the endless speculation about sales figures”
Steve,
Fair comment. But the information that the speculation is based on isn’t tired.
I’ve got a post about that when I have time.
Franz.
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “… some reflection on the Luddites.
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/29273
Franz.”
You’re always good for a blast from the past, Franz.
It’s interesting reading back some of those older threads (and for the heck of it I even went back to 2011) and seeing how my basic position on X hasn’t changed. When it meets my needs, I’ll give it a look. X is getting closer, but still not there for me yet. And for those about to ask, “Well, what needs do you have that X doesn’t address?” I’ll save you the trouble. As a freelancer in LA I mainly edit on other people’s gear and almost no one in my corner of the world is using X. Avid? Of course. FCP 7? Yes, still. PPro? Distant 3rd but growing. X? Distant 4th… very, very distant 4th. When it starts looking like I can make a living using X then I’ll pickup X.
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Ridiculously so.
Tim
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What we were taught in history about Luddites here in the UK more closely resembles the Wikipedia definition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite
My Shorter Oxford Dictional definition which reads thus for Luddism
“Intense dislike of or opposition to increased industrialisation or the introduction of new technology especially in the place of work”.
Or Meriam Webster online
“One of a group of early 19th century English workmen destroying laborsaving machinery as a protest; broadly : one who is opposed to especially technological change”.
I think what is unquestionably good is choice. l hope my scripts are not judged on the basis of the software or typewriter I use. My ability as a writer is all that matters. In my case that is undeniably a limiting factor by the way.
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[James Ewart] “I think what is unquestionably good is choice. l hope my scripts are not judged on the basis of the software or typewriter I use. My ability as a writer is all that matters.”
This changes at the facility level. For a freelancer, product may be all that matters. For a facility, process matters just as much (and sometimes maybe more).
When writers are expected to collaborate, for example, Microsoft Word’s “Track Changes” feature may be indispensable enough that you wouldn’t hire an otherwise awesome writer because he was only used Smith Coronas.
Walter Soyka
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[James Ewart] “What we were taught in history about Luddites here in the UK more closely resembles the Wikipedia definition … My Shorter Oxford Dictional definition … Or Meriam Webster online “
James,
Yes, but the smithsonian article is specifically addressing the broad understanding of the word (which is one thing), which is amorphous, noting for example that:
“People use the word now even to describe someone who is merely clumsy or forgetful about technology. (A British woman locked outside her house tweets her husband: “You stupid Luddite, turn on your bloody phone, i can’t get in!”)”… an delving into the historical facts (which are another thing):
“Despite their modern reputation, the original Luddites were neither opposed to technology nor inept at using it. Many were highly skilled machine operators in the textile industry. Nor was the technology they attacked particularly new. … In truth, the secret of their enduring reputation depends less on what they did than on the name under which they did it. You could say they were good at branding.”
… which may or may not be interesting in light of its use to describe certain straw men.
Franz.
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[Walter Soyka] “When writers are expected to collaborate, for example, Microsoft Word’s “Track Changes” feature may be indispensable enough that you wouldn’t hire an otherwise awesome writer because he was only used Smith Coronas.”
Just to riff on this (and I know this forum is where analogies come to die), editing, unlike writing, doesn’t spawn from a vacuum. Footage has to exist before it can be edited and that mere fact automatically pushes the editor into a realm of technology and more often than not collaboration.
George R. R. Martin famously writes on a DOS-era computer using equally old software. How many editors could make a living today using hardware and software as old as that? Like it or not post production has to be able to react to what people want to do in production. If someone shoots in 4K and wants to finish in 4K post has to figure out a way to make that happen. If someone shoots using 6 different cameras, shooting 6 different frame rates & aspect ratios and recording to six different codecs post has to figure out a way to make it work.
I completely agree that from a creative aspect the editor is the most important part but from a technical aspect the gear has to well suited for the task at hand (especially when there are finite budgets and looming deadlines) or it’s going to bog the whole process down and that will ultimately negatively effect the editor’s ability to do his/her job in the amount of time given.
My favorite (yet of course flawed) analogy is this, I could run a marathon in high heels but why would I choose high heels over running shoes (especially if I’m a professional marathoner competing against other professional marathoners)? It’s about the best tool for the job, not the bare minimum tool that can get the job done.
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[Andrew Kimery] “My favorite (yet of course flawed) analogy is this, I could run a marathon in high heels but why would I choose high heels over running shoes (especially if I’m a professional marathoner competing against other professional marathoners)?”
That is easy. When you’re done with the running, you’re immediately ready for a night out on the town. Perhaps, this is to celebrate just how great you looked out there amongst all the other professionals. They won’t be quite as prêt-à-porter as you, despite the dismal marathoning.
Jeremy
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