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The Open Timeline and Spatial Workflows — An Example
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“[Aindreas Gallagher] “In FCPX the browser exposes one keyword collection at a time – “
[Jeremy Garchow] ” I guess I just find this to be not true,”
I’m in danger of sounding like a broken and stupid record here.. but doesn’t FCPX expose one keyword collection at a time? as in you click on the event, the event is presented in the browser, you click on a keyword, the keyword tagged items are displayed in the browser? Isn’t this a one at a time process?
My point is that there is no equivalent to being able to scan across multiple open bins? In FCPX you can only view one keyword collection at a time?
Its not an end of the universe issue, but I do find it a fairly serious limitation for a piece of editing software..http://www.ogallchoir.net
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[Chris Harlan] “I CAN make do in a bin-less world, but sometimes its nice just to have a little table to throw things on”
I got ya. And here’s the question that I get in trouble for. How does FCPX prevent this idea? Why can’t you do this in X?
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ok as promised here was my day – there’s two things – I made big half specific bins and hold all the variations and shot alternates there, but then out of those bins, I set a pile of marker in and outs and used them to make a whole pile of selects sequences of my very favourite stuff that I think is going to be enough to populate the spot which is running to a couple of minutes of very fast cutting, so I’m editing mostly by skimming the select sequences to find the bits to go with the typography at that point and occasionally digging back into the big bins for all the rest of the stuff. Also the two icon bins represent stuff that came in last minute – I only need two performer shots so I’m not bothered tagging and naming, so I leave them in large icon view so I can easily pick out the blue performance clips.
so here is this big pile of bins on the left monitorrrrr…..
and here’s all my lovely sequence style skimmable bins stacked up in tabs, you will note that they are suspiciously like a skimmable filmstrip in action – the purple tab MAIN EDIT is my actual edit. and I stick the music track down loosely under all the selects to get an idea how they do with the tune.
so who the hell cares O gallchoir? I hear you cry.. well, me I guess, that was a fun edit today – just a really kicking tune, tons of good shots and some typography – yay.
But for me at any rate, doing this stuff – or even longform which I do an awful lot less of, I do need both these things – without tabs I don’t really think the sequence bin thing works, and I am deeply wedded to the bin sequence thing and I don’t like how cramped the event browser is, its just really really cramped – I want to be able to spatially arrange my bins and scan across them – you can take in an awful lot that way.
ultimately, on a personal level, FCPX feels like very good engineering metadata/database thought and very poor editing practise workflow thought.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “[Chris Harlan] “I CAN make do in a bin-less world, but sometimes its nice just to have a little table to throw things on”
I got ya. And here’s the question that I get in trouble for. How does FCPX prevent this idea? Why can’t you do this in X?
“It just comes down to visibility, really. Andrew’s suggestion of multiple instances of the Event Browser would probably solve all my qualms. I mean, the super bin on Avid is a terrific feature, but there are many times I want multiple bins open because it gives me a better view of the possibilities. Certainly, it is a convenience and not a necessity; I could adapt, but I don’t want to have to.
In general, I can only see FCP X as potentially one of my tools–instead of my primary tool–unless it adapts a less rigid, multi-monitor interface. It is a bit sad that FCP went from what was arguably the most flexible UI to one of the least flexible in a single, albeit drastic, iteration.
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Aindreas, this looks very much like one of my projects down to a combination of bins and sequences used as bins. I agree with you that this a far better workflow. To me, FCP X offers visually something that is akin to Avid’s Super Bin without the ability to turn it off and organize multiple bins.
Sometimes it is very useful to have only one bin open, which is an experience that FCP X can replicate. Sometimes it is useful to get the view you have above, which is something that FCP X–in its current form–cannot do.
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I can’t imagine a “open Keyword collection in separate window” command would be beyond the realms of possibility. Worth putting in as a feature request, I just did.
I don’t find having multiple projects open a problem, it’s very fast and easy to navigate between projects. Not as easy as clicking on a tab, but not a huge inconvenience for me.
A plus though is the ability to skim through all my projects quickly in the project browser.
“My Name is Steve and I’m an FCPX user”
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[Steve Connor] “I can’t imagine a “open Keyword collection in separate window” command would be beyond the realms of possibility. Worth putting in as a feature request,”
I agree.
[Steve Connor] “I don’t find having multiple projects open a problem, it’s very fast and easy to navigate between projects. Not as easy as clicking on a tab, but not a huge inconvenience for me.
“In FCS, I often take the multiple timelines a step further, keeping my cut open on the left monitor and placing timelines that act as bins open on the right. I find this even faster than tabs.
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Agreed, I used that one too, again an “open project in separate window” command is my next feature request!
“My Name is Steve and I’m an FCPX user”
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[Christian Schumacher] “Editing involves many different intents at the same time.
AND every piece of work has its particular combination of them.Hence the tool should allow you to place anything, anywhere…
Up or down…To the left or to the right… Freely, for God’s sake.
AND preferably in alternative fashions, as well.This is the “journey” that one needs to go through to craft an edit:
To experiment, to deliberate, to ponder feedbacks and to sort it all out.
The final result is achieved ONLY after we are able to do that.
“It is sort of freakish to me that this lack of flexibility is being sold as the new wave, and that people who are bemoaning the loss of variety in tools and palette are being labeled fudsters for standing in the way. This is NOT a program to sing “The times, they are a changin'” to.
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[Steve Connor] “Agreed, I used that one too, again an “open project in separate window” command is my next feature request!”
Cool. We’re thinking alike in this.
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