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The Open Timeline and Spatial Workflows — An Example
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Plus you can create custom searches where you can combine any keywords you like into one new selection.
Effectively opening multiple bins at once. And you can save those combinations.
If you have Roles assigned you can even group the results by them.
Or just show favourites parts of your newly selected clips.
Or just rejected parts..
Or don’t show rejected at all..Cheers
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Totally true Andrew, if we had tear away tabs, or in this case actually, an event browser that could clone itself into multiple instances to simultaneously represent multiple keyword collections… Oh Hang on wait. Apple are never going to do anything like that. The point surely is that we have *an event browser*. You know as well as i do that apple are never going to muddy the conceptual waters by having *the* event browser multiply in that fashion.
It never takes the name of the keyword collection – it never is a container. It is the browser. It represents whatever you click on to the left of it, be it event or keyword metadata. Also do we really see tabs making a comeback? Considering where apple are going with single window applications? I rather don’t. I think that is a glued together one window application.I think only being able to see one keyword collection/bin at a time is really extremely limiting and something of a crazy idea for an editing application. As is the fashion these days, I might post a pic later as an example of workflow on a project to illustrate what I’m on about.
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[Carsten Orlt] “combine any keywords you like into one new selection.- Effectively opening multiple bins at once”
nope, thats about as useful as taking the contents of a load of different bins, dumping them into one bin, and then only being able to figure out who’s what by twirling down arrows to see the associated keywords for all the clip items you just dumped into the one bin.
It is not even in the tiniest way like opening multiple bins at once. its very like stringing multiple tags into a single metadata query.
[Carsten Orlt] “If you have Roles assigned you can even group the results by them.
Or just show favourites parts of your newly selected clips.
Or just rejected parts..”that all sounds like tremendous OCD fun… but it still doesn’t answer the intrinsic issue with the event browser – its one bin at a time – which is not on.
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Keyword collection are NOT like bins. IT IS LEAPS AND BOUNDS MORE ADVANCED AND USABLE THAN BINS!
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “I think only being able to see one keyword collection/bin at a time is really extremely limiting and something of a crazy idea for an editing application. As is the fashion these days, I might post a pic later as an example of workflow on a project to illustrate what I’m on about.”
I’d love to see this as at this point I think you’re being argumentative. Entertainingly argumentative, at least. 🙂
In FCP legacy you do not have access to all of your clips at all times like you do in X and then grouped by keyword (or other definitions).
Bins are not containers. They are doors, hallways, and shelves. They are arbitrary sort mechanisms that are not connected to your media in anyway, accept through an FCP project file.
Events are actually a container on the Finder level. They physically hold all of your media and within FCPX allow you to arrange/look at that media however you see fit, and it’s all dynamic, meaning you can change/add to it very easily. You say the browser gets more attention than it deserves, I think it deserves a lot of attention.
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[Gerald Baria] “Keyword collection are NOT like bins. IT IS LEAPS AND BOUNDS MORE ADVANCED AND USABLE THAN BINS!
“Gerald, I’ve seen some of your work, and from what I have seen, YOU don’t have any significant use for bins, so I think it is just possible that you don’t have a full understanding of what others might need. No one is saying that the ‘keyword collection’ is in anyway a bad thing–I think everyone pretty much agrees that the more advanced the indexing the better–but bins were able to do slightly more in terms of holding things that have obscure or ephemeral relationships with one another. While such relationships might not crop up often for you, I assure they do for others.
Andrew’s suggested solution of “multiple instances of the Event Browse” might be Aindreas’ answer; it would probably come close to solving the issues for me. But to say that there is no issue at all is to simply be unaware of it.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Bins are not containers. They are doors, hallways, and shelves.”
mmm, I’m pretty sure they’re containers – they hold things, and you can view multiple open bins at the same time, which I do honestly rather like to do?
In FCPX the browser exposes one keyword collection at a time – I’m really not being argumentative – I find that a reasonably significant limitation in the software- will post the pics in a bit – its a thing I’m editing today. there is much multiple bin behaviour, and then some tabbed sequences as other type skimmable selects bins going on…
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Jeremy, I think the thing about bins is that they are better at holding obscure or ephemeral relationships based on whim. I’m in no way arguing against a strong indexing system, and the majority of my bins fall neatly into categories that indexing easily represents. But it is nice to have a few odd boxes that are a jumble of relationships–possibly very temporarily–where I don’t even necessarily see the connection between items, but just feel them. I know I can create a tag for “odd things” or “elbow joints” so I CAN make do in a bin-less world, but sometimes its nice just to have a little table to throw things on.
What I miss more, actually, is multiple open timelines, since I tend to use timelines as bins.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “n FCPX the browser exposes one keyword collection at a time – I’m really not being argumentative – I find that a reasonably significant limitation in the software”
I agree.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “In FCPX the browser exposes one keyword collection at a time – I’m really not being argumentative “
Ok. I guess I just find this to be not true, but it’s not that I don’t believe you.
Tabbed sequences, yes, that’s a true statement and going from all sequences open to one a time isn’t as fun, especially when you get in to versioning for different uses. This is where gang function comes in really handy in Legacy.
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