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  • Bret Williams

    March 16, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    I will. I’ve got a light week. Famous last words. So maybe I can get it married to the soundboard this week.

  • Bret Williams

    March 16, 2013 at 6:20 pm

    I will. Unless I get sucked into something I have a light week.

  • James Culbertson

    March 16, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    “[James Culbertson] “If you had asked me prior to this thread, I would have said that FCPX was the most visual of any NLE I have used.”

    [Chris Harlan] >Visual, I think, is the wrong word.”

    Ah, thanks Chris. This makes more sense to me now. What we are really talking about is different organizational styles, which form a continuum that includes spatial and other types of thinking.

    It sounds like FCPX (or any NLE for that matter) works for some modes of spatial thinking but not as well for others. Though perhaps preference is a better word than mode as mode might suggest there isn’t some amount of choice or adaptation involved (whatever NLE we might talk about).

  • Bill Davis

    March 16, 2013 at 7:01 pm

    [James Culbertson] “It sounds like FCPX (or any NLE for that matter) works for some modes of spatial thinking but not as well for others. Though perhaps preference is a better word than mode as mode might suggest there isn’t some amount of choice or adaptation involved (whatever NLE we might talk about).”

    A thought I can unconditionally support in this thread.

    Thanks James. Nicely written.

    IMO, this entire thread is about conditioned preference.

    Nothing more or less.

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  • Bill Davis

    March 16, 2013 at 7:07 pm

    [Oliver Peters] “The second difference between X and others is that you can’t re-arrange clips in any other order than alphanumeric ascending/descending sorts of some field.”

    While this is true on it’s face, it ignores the reality that you can get precisely the same function by using the re-naming mode in X to tag clips in any sort order you like and display them thusly.

    Is this preceived “lack’ an example of something that X trully can’t do – or another example of something that X can do easily, but that the user must come at via a different thought process.

    I might even argue that becoming familiar with X’s very robust asset renaming suite is, arguably MUCH more valuable for the long haul editor – than is having the design team slap a drop down menu with much more limited choices into the interface.

    FWWI.

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  • Oliver Peters

    March 16, 2013 at 7:13 pm

    [Bill Davis] “Is this preceived “lack’ an example of something that X trully can’t do”

    Yes. It absolutely is. Renaming clips to force an artificial sort is completely different than moving a clip up one and two to the left.

    [Bill Davis] “or another example of something that X can do easily, but that the user must come at via a different thought process.”

    No.

    [Bill Davis] “arguably MUCH more valuable for the long haul editor – than is having the design team slap a drop down menu with much more limited choices into the interface.”

    Except that Apple has already done it in the form of the light table in Aperture. So for all we know it’s already in the code and could show up in the next version.

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  • Bill Davis

    March 16, 2013 at 7:14 pm

    [David Lawrence] “Great article! Amazing how flexible Legacy, Pr and MC allow you to be with custom layout.”

    Absolutely.

    And it only took them about 10 years of solid development to get the code body up to the level of user flexibility displayed in those images.

    Ten years driven by solid incremental success in sales that provided the financial justification for Apple to pour resources into pleasing users beyond the general basic level editor that FCP-1 (DV-25 ONLY after all) was designed to satisfy.

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  • Herb Sevush

    March 16, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    [Bill Davis] “And it only took them about 10 years of solid development to get the code body up to the level of user flexibility displayed in those images.”

    So that’s an argument for choosing a program that has that head start, as opposed to one that chose to throw it all away and start over. Besides which it did not take 10 years for FCP to develop customizable screens, it could do that back in ’05 when I started using it, don’t know when it actually became possible.

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  • David Lawrence

    March 16, 2013 at 7:48 pm

    [Bill Davis] “And it only took them about 10 years of solid development to get the code body up to the level of user flexibility displayed in those images.”

    Wrong.

    You could easily do this with early versions any of these NLEs due to their floating window design.

    FCPX is currently the only NLE on the market with a fixed, monolithic, single-window app design. It’s a big step backwards in user flexibility another reason why FCPX turns off many power users. Apple needs to up their game in this department. The monolithic app window model is not necessarily appropriate for every application.

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  • Bill Davis

    March 16, 2013 at 8:02 pm

    [Oliver Peters] “Except that Apple has already done it in the form of the light table in Aperture. So for all we know it’s already in the code and could show up in the next version.”

    I’m spending a good deal of my time these days trying to learn to be a better photographer, so I’m spending a good bit of time in Lightroom.

    I recognize it’s power and abilities and use it nearly daily.

    That said, it has – for me at least – an extremely vexing user interface.

    For reason’s I can’t fathom, I’m having a MUCH more difficult time learning Lightroom than I had with X.

    The interface keep throwing up user alerts like the tiny numbers and auto-creating multiple copies of some of my shots that are somehow “stacked” in the photo arrays and searching diligently on the web for what they and the little appended icons signify and how the underlying management structure works – but the whole thing has been very frustrating.

    I know I’ll get there in the end, but to argue that X needs to take on more Lightroom style capabilities is a bit of a stretch for me right now.

    BTW, Don’t get me wrong, I think LR is a great tool.

    But perhaps just like folks coming to X, I expected it to be relatively easy to grasp and operate, and it’s turning out to be WAY more complex than my initial survey indicated.

    Maybe that’s just the way modern software is going.

    FWIW.

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